Prince Andrew stripped...

[Sarahlou63]

Of all royal patronages and military titles.

Guess mummy has finally had enough.

I wonder how many PR people the RF have. Analysing the social media and the public opinion and realising that long term, if they want to avoid a peasant's revolt, then harbouring a paedophile behind apron strings and a bank of medals is probably not that good a look.

It’s also clear now I think just what a tough time Fergie has had with him - not that I’m usually sympathetic to the obscenely rich.

@velvetvixen

Charles and William are looking to the future. They don't want this taint hanging over their own accessions,

Which is why they are making sure the media is reporting that they are driving developments like this and claims they are 'furious' with him.

That doesn't mean that they genuinely are 'furious' with him in reality. It just means they recognise that it serves their interests for the media to report in such a way so that they can distance themselves from the shame Andrew has brought on their institution.

It is all calculated.

Puzzled that made me laugh! In the back of a van in a jumpsuit...

Interesting story above re the hotel.. "let's do this again shall we" cheeky arrogant bugger.

One of my favourite stories was a poster on here who had ties to staff at the Palace. She said the time he was "mistaken" for an intruder and Ruby tackled to the ground caused much amusement among staff.

I think the "agreement" not to use the title is just a polite way of saying he can't use it anymore. If he didn't agree they'd have taken it anyway, may still do so if he tries to use it.

[quote toomuchlaundry]@AlternativePerspective how many parents would wait before their son was found guilty before dropping their support of them[/quote]
Most. And most would continue to support him even if he was found guilty. You can hate the sin and love the sinner.

Have to say a big thumbs down to the 2nd comment, throwing prince harry in the same ring as prince Andrew ! Absolute testament that prooganda is king

That doesn't mean that they genuinely are 'furious' with him in reality. It just means they recognise that it serves their interests for the media to report in such a way so that they can distance themselves from the shame Andrew has brought on their institution.

I could easily believe they are genuinely furious with him. Andrew and Charles have never got on, with Andrew being unhappy about Charles' plans to 'slim down' the royal family, with no chance of a role for his daughters. Given the strained relationship between Charles and Andrew, I'd be very surprised if Wills is close to the latter. They will both be thinking of their own reigns, and they don't want this scandal hanging over them.

If it goes to trial, its mentioned they could call upon Fergie and daughteres to give evidence...how will they deal with were you at pizza hut on that day. Its going to be interesting considering it was one of their birthdays...could you really forget?

Vivarium.

An article a while back said Prince Andrews office told me people to fuck off all the time when they tried to offer advice or deal with situations.

They could not help him or steer him in any way and he had the full backing of the Queen so they were totally trapped.

I feel for Palace pr!

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

I wonder how many PR people the RF have. Analysing the social media and the public opinion and realising that long term, if they want to avoid a peasant's revolt, then harbouring a paedophile behind apron strings and a bank of medals is probably not that good a look.

Media access to them is very closely controlled. It is carefully stage managed and they know what they are doing.

They are not some regular family down the street bumbling along innocently talking to the media - it is a finely honed business operation. They are represented and advised. They strategise.

If you want to understand more about the RF's relationship with the media - and the power they have in what the media reports and how the media accesses them - there is a documentary series on BBC Sounds at the moment.

Spectre 8, perhaps.

But it's been pointed out that clubs like tramp usually get going around midnight so it doesn't really matter where he was at 7pm

My dc’s school was officially opened by him. There’s a big plaque at the entrance. Surely this should be removed.

[quote AllThePogs]@notimagain it does not matter who they are. It is about the publicity it would generate.[/quote]
It’s a badly kept secret that Andrew wasn’t well liked by many in HM Forces, and given petitions, letters from those who served or have served etc to those higher up the food chain usually get a swift ignoring I’m not convinced somebody in the Palace turned round and said “oh, right, now we really must do something because 140 veterans are unhappy”….

I think the decision to remove the titles and baubles had been made perhaps overnight and the publication of letter is just an interesting coincidence….perhaps even done to make some think “the palace” do pay attention to what the people think 🤔

Yeah, Charles and Andrew have been at loggerheads for years,. If it was my brother I'd be furious with him.

Given that it’s a hereditary monarchy I’m not sure they can strip the title. Stopping use of it is all they can do, and it is a very strong statement.

Personally I think it must be a terrible thing to have to do for Her Majesty, but (and I no doubt sound pompous) she has this day restored some honour to the tainted name of Great Britain.

If only Her Majesty’s prime minister and ministers now follow that example, because it is embarrassing to be British right now with the amount of corruption, incompetence, and wrangling over legally agreed treaties right now.

@IcedPurple

That doesn't mean that they genuinely are 'furious' with him in reality. It just means they recognise that it serves their interests for the media to report in such a way so that they can distance themselves from the shame Andrew has brought on their institution.

I could easily believe they are genuinely furious with him. Andrew and Charles have never got on, with Andrew being unhappy about Charles' plans to 'slim down' the royal family, with no chance of a role for his daughters. Given the strained relationship between Charles and Andrew, I'd be very surprised if Wills is close to the latter. They will both be thinking of their own reigns, and they don't want this scandal hanging over them.

Oh absolutely both things could be true, I agree.

Virginia Giuffre's team are going after Andrew in the way they know will make the most impact even if she loses - publicly. Lots of posters have commented on how arrogant he is & having his reputation tarnished publicly will hurt him more than anything. Whichever way the verdict goes, he can't hobnob & use his titles in the way he used to with the A listers. People won't want to be seen publicly with an alleged or convicted sex offender. Together with losing his titles and military positions, it's a win for GF's team before they've stepped foot in the court. His reputation is toast so other associates of Epstein & Andrew should be scared now as nobody is immune to public humiliation.

I don't know if the US legal system is the same as in the UK with regards to settlement but I remember from my long ago legal days that, in a civil case in the UK, if an offer to settle is refused and the case goes to court then, if the final amount awarded by the court is the same or less than the sum offered in settlement then this will have costs implications for the person who refused to settle.

So, although VG is said to want her day in court (and I totally think she should) her lawyers may advise her to settle and not run the risk of having to pay Andrew's legal costs, which I imagine would be substantial bearing in mind the lawyers he is said to have instructed.

Although I would love to see him being questioned by VGs lawyers, at the end of the day I would imagine there will be some kind of settlement.

Frankly though even if he does settle I think his reputation will have been destroyed and who knows who else might come out of the woodwork.

@user1641832968632486258

Unfortunately there is no 'must' about it. This is a civil case and he's under no obligation to testify, or answer any questions. The NY courts cannot exert any compulsion here and if he stays holed up (as seems likely) he's pretty much immune. He would be very ill-advised to leave the UK now in any event.

Whether that's his best course of action is another story, but we've seen thus far that he is not acting in a way that would seem to bring the best outcome for him, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did this.

Of course, the court is well able to draw it's own conclusions from such behaviour and it will go heavily against him with the judge.

If this was a criminal case, it would be a different matter entirely.

To be honest (right now I don’t care much if it is stage managed - that would still show some awareness of public limits of morality.

@Aldinho57

That's such a shame, can we not do the same to Harry,

What a bike thing to say! I’m a republican myself but to compare some one I assume you don’t like with a potential sex offender is offensive and irrational…

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude

nancy “The Duke of York has been stripped of all military titles and patronages and will no longer use his HRH title, Buckingham Palace has said.”

Moot point if he has lost HRH or has agreed not to use it.

I'm not sure that he can lose the HRH title, that comes from being the son of the Sovereign, she has said he will not use the honorific. Similarly, Harry is HRH still as the grandson of the Sovereign through the male line but he should not be using it.

@AlternativePerspective

I actually feel sorry for the queen.

It’s very easy for us to sit here and criticise her for doing/not doing in terms of Andrew, because she’s a public figure.

But at the end of the day he is her son. And while we can easily hypothetically say “If that was my son I would….” In truth there are likely a lot more parents who would support their children than abandon them.

Even leaving aside this case, it’s been clear for a long time that he isn’t suited to any public role, but she has continued to reward him with jobs and honours.

It’s not as though he is the first ‘spare’ Royal to trade on their status to organise dodgy deals, but she turned a blind eye.

I don’t think the RF makes sense, but perhaps in future they can at least make it clear that family members must either live by a strict code or live as normal members of the public, without titles or privilege.

Given the strained relationship between Charles and Andrew, I'd be very surprised if Wills is close to the latter. They will both be thinking of their own reigns, and they don't want this scandal hanging over them

As I've said so often, it would be only too easy for a thoroughly pissed off Andrew to start leaking stories about his brother ... in which case Charles could find an even bigger mess hanging over his reign