Prince Andrew stripped...

[Sarahlou63]

Of all royal patronages and military titles.

Guess mummy has finally had enough.

[quote DeliriaSkibbly]@user1641832968632486258

Unfortunately there is no 'must' about it. This is a civil case and he's under no obligation to testify, or answer any questions. The NY courts cannot exert any compulsion here and if he stays holed up (as seems likely) he's pretty much immune. He would be very ill-advised to leave the UK now in any event.

Whether that's his best course of action is another story, but we've seen thus far that he is not acting in a way that would seem to bring the best outcome for him, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did this.

Of course, the court is well able to draw it's own conclusions from such behaviour and it will go heavily against him with the judge.

If this was a criminal case, it would be a different matter entirely.[/quote]
If he refuses, then Giuffre can ask the court to decide in her favour.

My comment was based on pp's query about it having reached a point where a jury had made a decision. In order to reach that point he would have had to submit to the court's requirements to give evidence.

Of course he may refuse. But in that case the court would automatically find in Giuffre's favour and the pp's question about him being 'cleared' would not be in point.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Given the strained relationship between Charles and Andrew, I'd be very surprised if Wills is close to the latter. They will both be thinking of their own reigns, and they don't want this scandal hanging over them

As I've said so often, it would be only too easy for a thoroughly pissed off Andrew to start leaking stories about his brother ... in which case Charles could find an even bigger mess hanging over his reign

Is there any great scandal waiting to be told about Charles?

Financial shenanigans like the recent stuff with The Prince's Stuff maybe. But if Charles survived Tampongate and 'there were three of us in that marriage' I reckon he could survive anything Airmiles Andy could throw at him.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Given the strained relationship between Charles and Andrew, I'd be very surprised if Wills is close to the latter. They will both be thinking of their own reigns, and they don't want this scandal hanging over them

As I've said so often, it would be only too easy for a thoroughly pissed off Andrew to start leaking stories about his brother ... in which case Charles could find an even bigger mess hanging over his reign

Who’s going to listen to anything Andrew says? We all know he’s incapable of telling the truth.

For the pp asking if he would get his titles back - they are being redistributed to other members of the family. This is a permanent and irreversible decision whatever happens.

Including the fact of their redistribution in the statement is very strong.

Yes, The Firm won't have existed only in the 80s, there will be a machine behind the announcements.

I suppose it's not inconceivable that the Queen hasn't made the decision about what to do with PA. She'll have her own advisors, but as she's older, grieving, probably feeling unwell - she may well be happy to let Charles and his team make decisions about things which will impact his reign and not hers.

What a horrible thought... 🤢

@Aldinho57

That's such a shame, can we not do the same to Harry,

And you are not a racist are you?

Regardless of what he's called in public, I'm sure 'behind closed doors' he'll still be called "Your Royal Highness" by staff, just as the Duke of Windsor insisted that staff call Wallis "YRH" even though she was refused that 'style' by the King. And he won't lose his place of precedence within the family, either. I think it's wrong, I think he should be fully ostracized, but as long as HM lives I don't think that will happen. After she is gone, I think Charlie will make him 'disappear' from anything within the royal sphere, including Royal Lodge and any other perks he still retains.

I'm not opining on M & H, but if I was H I think I'd find it a little painful that in essence an (accused) sexual predator/paedophile is getting the same 'treatment' as H when all H did was 'resign'. I think HM should strip Andy of the DoY title, to show that what he has (allegedly) done is far worse than Harry, who was allowed to keep the DoS title.

I do feel sorry for HM though. No matter who you are, no matter what earthly goods or power you possess, your heart still breaks just the same as the 'pauper at the gates'' does when your child so disappoints you.

Not completely about PA & this thread but have been watching an interesting series on Netflix about Jeffery Epstein.
Not seen the photos of PA at JE's NY house or in Central Park yet but PA has been mentioned in passing.

Is there any great scandal waiting to be told about Charles?

Personally I don't know, but given his own taste for associating with paedophiles I'd be very surprised if Andrew - who's been around a long time and doubtless seen a lot - couldn't dredge something up

Whichever way the verdict goes, he can't hobnob & use his titles in the way he used to with the A listers. People won't want to be seen publicly with an alleged or convicted sex offender

Decent people perhaps, but he'll still have the dubious oligarchs, some of whom seem little better than he is
In fact the latest news could shove him even further into their clutches

I have wondered why he hasn't offered to pay her off before this ?
She might not have accepted anyway ,whatever the outcome of this I don't think Prince Andrew can ever come back from this .

It's not yet clear if this applies to his constitutional role as a "counsellor of state", one of four royals who can undertake the Queen's official duties, should she be unwell.

If they have any common sense, they will make sure that it does.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59987935

I think HM should strip Andy of the DoY title

An Act of Parliament is required to revoke a peerage.

HMTQ has basically removed all the honours that were in her power to remove. Should have happened much sooner, but better late than never.

@Aldinho57

That's such a shame, can we not do the same to Harry,

@Aldinho57

Regarding Harry and Meghan —
I’ll never understand the hatred for those people don’t know, will never meet, and who have absolutely no effect on their lives whatsoever.
It’s absurd.

He's still a Duke though and in the line of succession, living in a 27 bed fully staffed mansion, with the absolute best of lifestyle that money can buy. Does anyone believe that he personally paid the estimated £7.5 million to refurbish it?

It feels like a very grand but empty gesture to me. And I feel horribly sorry that a 95 year old grieving widow is having to deal with it.

Surely Andrew could offer VG millions of pounds, but she could refuse it and still make more from interviews/tv/books etc. Whatever happens, she'll be able to make money for it, and I hope it helps her recover from the trauma she has undoubtedly been through.

@DreamTheMoors
Prince Andrew will never affect my life, but I still dislike him intensely. Most of us have strong feelings about people we have never met, based upon an accumulation of things.

I thought it was quite odd that Fergie and 'the girls' went away without him last week, when I'd have thought at least someone would have stayed to support him in what was a terrible week for him. Made me wonder if he'd come clean to them - and now thinking that maybe he's done the same to HM, which is why she's come down hard - at last.

What do we call him?

And you are not a racist are you?

Why do you and yours jump to this cut-out comment every time Harry's mentioned?

@Spectre8

If it goes to trial, its mentioned they could call upon Fergie and daughteres to give evidence...how will they deal with were you at pizza hut on that day. Its going to be interesting considering it was one of their birthdays...could you really forget?

but werent the girls 12 or so back then i read the other day ? how on earth would they now remember that as grown adults ,and yes you really really can forget , i cant remember my 12 or even any of my teen birthdays at all , id be surprised if they actually could

@ajandjjmum

Surely Andrew could offer VG millions of pounds, but she could refuse it and still make more from interviews/tv/books etc. Whatever happens, she'll be able to make money for it, and I hope it helps her recover from the trauma she has undoubtedly been through.

I'm sure that her 'trauma' will be cured by millions of dollars. How much is she going after the rest of the men for, the ones who are not so well known?

@JudgeJ

And you are not a racist are you?

Why do you and yours jump to this cut-out comment every time Harry's mentioned?

they cant help it , if you say anything about him thats negative and one of his fans reads it , your labeled a racist , always been that way , seen it on loads of threads about the sussexes

@ajandjjmum

I thought it was quite odd that Fergie and 'the girls' went away without him last week, when I'd have thought at least someone would have stayed to support him in what was a terrible week for him. Made me wonder if he'd come clean to them - and now thinking that maybe he's done the same to HM, which is why she's come down hard - at last.

I don't - he'd be well advised not to leave the country. We won't extradite him to the US, but that doesn't mean another country wouldn't.