Prince Andrew stripped...

[Sarahlou63]

Of all royal patronages and military titles.

Guess mummy has finally had enough.

I don't think that's in any way fair @fishy. Their titles were stripped because they resigned, not because they got married.

Andrews is much more serious, obviously.

There’s a high school in Nova Scotia named for this man when it was built in the 60s. There has been discussion amongst current students to change its name for a few years now. Surely they must listen and change it?

Back to the actual matter in hand is anyone else hoping he can't buy off Virginia!

I wonder if there is even a crowd fund going on to support her!

I wonder if this will give impetus to other pooor girls to come forward?

Yes this, in spades!!

Can’t believe the attempted-virtue-signalling sycophantic burbling of some of you bleating Daily Mail readers pitying ‘poor old queeny’ while ignoring the fact that actual children, hundreds potentially, have been groomed, abused and raped by Andrew and his chums. Some of you must be mums too I’m assuming, gross!

From what I can gather it is Ms Guiffe who is bringing this as a civil case , but why I am not sure ? I heard a lawyer explain it all on bbc news once , but it sounded complex and because she had signed that non disclosure document too maybe?
Maybe more people might come out now ?
I wonder if they will ?

It must really hurt. He always liked to use his title.

I know there was an occasion when he was staying at a country house and went down to the kitchen to get a snack. The staff were off duty and sitting around chatting. Apparently, he stood in the doorway for a moment and then announced, “Right. Let’s do that again, shall we? I stand at the door and you all stand up as I enter.”

Just out of interest, if he’s cleared of the accusations, will his titles/roles etc be reinstated?

@popppi, because the judicial system didn't have enough evidence against Andrew I think, so a civil case was brought privately by the victim.

If new evidence is found during this, they could also open a criminal case.

@JanuaryBluehoo

Back to the actual matter in hand is anyone else hoping he can't buy off Virginia!

I wonder if there is even a crowd fund going on to support her!

I wonder if this will give impetus to other pooor girls to come forward?

It's been said she wants her day in court and I can't blame her .

Giggly

I'd rather not know what the poster thinks or derail this thread with it.

@popppi

Not to derail but why is this a civil case and not criminal?

Lots of reasons.

Because the legal system in both countries is pretty shit when it comes to sexual offences and was set up by men for men. Both feature sexual offences legislation that originated as a property crime (one man damaging another man's property, ie a woman) and is still dealt with as such.

The state brings criminal charges in order to establish the right for the state to impose a punishment. Individuals cannot do so, but they can use civil legislation and processes to seek damages.

The case is brought by Giuffre therefore it is a civil case. It is often the only way a victim can seek to hold an abuser accountable, and even then requires significant resources.

Civil cases have a different burden of proof to criminal cases since a criminal case can result in deprivation of liberty. Criminal cases are subject to political whims of the institutions tasked with investigating and prosecuting.

Only 0.5% of rapists are ever convicted. Unless her rapist is one of those 0.5%, then winning a civil case is the only way a victim can obtain the right to call her rapist a rapist without being sued by him for defamation. Which I think shames us as a society frankly.

Well yes but I hope she sticks to it although I wouldn't blame her at all for taking money either.

I can imagine she has a lot of support and money too ; not a criticism at all , but it's all going to be a fortune.

Shame he didn’t have the balls to do this himself a couple of years ago. What a yellow belly he is. I wonder if Sarah will stick by him when the money and the HRH title has gone! (Answer of course she will, what else can she do, lazy woman)

I think she is unlikely to ever see any money.

Better late than never.
I am glad that there is some public announcement that he is not a decent person & the military don't wish to be associated with him.
But, it's only a start
If indeed it is established that he raped a trafficked teenager then I hope he goes to jail for a long time.

It's SO important that the message is that no one's above the law.

At long last.

@JanuaryBluehoo

Certainly was!

Dumbass, I don’t hate his daughters or ex wife or any innocent party associated with him (barring the Queen who has enabled and bank-rolled and defended his criminal behaviour), I simply don’t believe that there is any space at this time for your insipid ‘whataboutism’. The case in hand is his abuse of a child and shouldn’t be detracted from.

You sound like one of those ‘but what about violence against poor men’ virtue signallers during the peak of the Sarah Everard media explosion.

@2389Champ

It must really hurt. He always liked to use his title.

I know there was an occasion when he was staying at a country house and went down to the kitchen to get a snack. The staff were off duty and sitting around chatting. Apparently, he stood in the doorway for a moment and then announced, “Right. Let’s do that again, shall we? I stand at the door and you all stand up as I enter.”

Just out of interest, if he’s cleared of the accusations, will his titles/roles etc be reinstated?

I doubt it.

If we get to the point where a jury does not find in Giuffre's favour, which is not the same as him being cleared, then he will have had to give evidence.

He will have had to answer questions and prove his statements about Pizza Express and inability to sweat. His claim that the photo was doctored and he never met her.

He will have had to answer intrusive and humiliating questions under oath.

I don't think his reputation can be rehabilitated whatever the outcome. There is no scenario in which he comes out of this looking good.

That makes no sense, I can feel bad for VG and hope she gets justice whilst at the same time understanding how upsetting this must be for his family who have done nothing wrong.

Funnily enough it is possible to understand more than one person's point of view at a time...well for most people anyway

@ramonaquimby

There’s a high school in Nova Scotia named for this man when it was built in the 60s. There has been discussion amongst current students to change its name for a few years now. Surely they must listen and change it?

Given that things named after JK Rowling have been stripped because she said women are women, ill be fucking livid if they don't change the name.

While we can easily hypothetically say “If that was my son I would….” In truth there are likely a lot more parents who would support their children than abandon them

Nobody's suggested she should abandon him privately, but she didn't need to support him quite so publicly either - the two fingers to the public when horseriding for the cameras, the high honour when the Epstein story broke, etc.
Wonder if she thinks that was such a good idea now?

When it comes to her funeral, I expect he'll want to be there as a "private person", but there's a risk of people making their feelings known in a way that could be unpleasant. So maybe it would be better if they took him to the abbey in the back of a van or something?

Molly your barking up the wrong tree.

I feel its wrong to drag his daughters into the crimes of their father.

He abused allegedly these girls not them.

If someone writes about them as though they are guilty as well then naturally it feel its important to mention they are not responsible for their df or his crimes, at all.

It's all about the preservation of the monarchy. She's obviously heeded her advisors.

@x2boys

What does that actually mean in reality?

I think the point is that the various regiments don’t have to pretend to be loyal to him.

So I just heard on the BBC radio that he's not been stripped of his HRH but will just stop using it.
The news reader said something along the lines of ' much like the sussexes' so does that mean there's nothing stopping him from using it just an agreement that he shouldn't?