Isn't Carlisle in Scotland?

[Gardenwoe]

So was just looking at where Morcambe is, whilst watching the shambolic Spurs game. And was surprised to see Carlisle is in England... I would have bet my DH life on it being in Scotland

I live in Carlisle too. I love it here. But definitely England - but only by about 5 miles!

[quote freelions]@ErrolTheDragon

Pen-y-ghent really has no right being in Yorkshire! Definitely sounds like it belongs in Snowdonia [/quote]
It's a Cumbric name, apparently

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbric

@Mailbag

Thomas Carlyle was Scottish. Perhaps you have the man and the place confused?

But everyone knows Thomas Carlyle is from Ecclefechan.

Agree with the PPs who say some places have names that sound like they should be somwhere else. Pontefract is the one that gets me, it should be in Wales not West Yorkshire. Amusingly enough I lived in County Durham and received mail that went to Ireland before it came to the right place so there's at least one person in the Royal Mail who thinks Co Durhan is in Ireland.

I need to learn about technology.

At least I didn't miss much, seemed like Morecambe played well

[quote freelions]@ErrolTheDragon

Pen-y-ghent really has no right being in Yorkshire! Definitely sounds like it belongs in Snowdonia [/quote]
Pen isbelieved to be Celtic for hill or tor, so not specific to Wales. Pendle hill being a good example.

Although Pendle Hill is more interesting. It's name is Pen (hill - celtic) - dle (earlier spelt as hul, which originally derived from 'hyll', Old English for hill) Hill (modern English for hill)

So it means Hill Hill Hill

It blew my mind that Leeds castle is in Kent.

Now I've typed that - I assume 'Pen' (used in England and Wales) is etymologically linked to 'Ben'/'Beinn' (used in Scotland)? They must surely be from the same Celtic root.

Need to check.

@CSJobseeker

Now I've typed that - I assume 'Pen' (used in England and Wales) is etymologically linked to 'Ben'/'Beinn' (used in Scotland)? They must surely be from the same Celtic root.

Need to check.

Penrith in Cumbria means Red Hill in old Cumbrian apparently.

Like Uttoxeter - that place in Devon.

Although Pendle Hill is more interesting. It's name is Pen (hill - celtic) - dle (earlier spelt as hul, which originally derived from 'hyll', Old English for hill) Hill (modern English for hill)

So it means Hill Hill Hill

Apt. It's definitely a hilly hill.

Yes, there are hills and tors (and towns/villages near hills) called pen all over - Penhill Beacon, Torpenhow, Pilsdon Pen.

@ErrolTheDragon

Although Pendle Hill is more interesting. It's name is Pen (hill - celtic) - dle (earlier spelt as hul, which originally derived from 'hyll', Old English for hill) Hill (modern English for hill)

So it means Hill Hill Hill

Apt. It's definitely a hilly hill.

Torpenhow is the same. Hill hill hill.

Tor (Saxon), pen (Celtic), how (old Norse).

This has turned into a very educational thread!

And in the same post that mentioned Torpenhow there's Penhill Beacon,

Do you think the locals in these places had foreign cartographers point at the local high point and make enquiring 'what's that?' noises, so they provided the word 'hill' in all the languages they knew? (We now need to to know if there's a hill anywhere called 'it's your finger, stupid' in a variety of Brittonic dialects).

@freelions

This has turned into a very educational thread!

Yes, I'm glad I joined in 😀.

@ErrolTheDragon

And in the same post that mentioned Torpenhow there's Penhill Beacon,

Do you think the locals in these places had foreign cartographers point at the local high point and make enquiring 'what's that?' noises, so they provided the word 'hill' in all the languages they knew? (We now need to to know if there's a hill anywhere called 'it's your finger, stupid' in a variety of Brittonic dialects).

@eagerlywaitingfor

Thanks for that, my friend and I were talking the other day about why there are more Tors in the Peaks (Mam Tor, Shining Tor etc) but more Pikes and Fells in the Lakes. We didn't have an answer but meant to investigate further.

Although you do get Pikes in the Peaks too. Lantern Pike, Eccles Pike etc - we wondered if it was to do with the shape of each hill.

@Westfacing

Like Uttoxeter - that place in Devon.

In that case my sat nav was a bit off when I drove through on my way to Stoke on Trent.

My geography is awful, truly, but I had family in Carlisle and I also knew where Thirsk was... I like this oddly specific to my tiny world thread, keep going.

Carlisle is North West. Classed as Cumbria I believe. I'm north east... Northumberland. Berwick was split in two half's.. North Berwick and Berwick.i could be wrong but North Berwick is Scottsh border? Carlisle isn't far from the Scottish border on the north west side.

Actually do you get Pikes in the south? The hard k is making me think it's old Norse.

North Berwick is about 40 miles from Berwick

Carlisle is the county town of Cumbria I think

@bordermidgebite

Carlisle is the county town of Cumbria I think

Carlisle is a city and the capital of Cumbria I think.

I'm going to Carlisle on Tuesday for work to see a young person. I've not been there for about 18 months. I'm going to make a day of it and have a look around and do some shopping.