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Jeez! Performance parenting is driving me insane!

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ChilledFizz · 03/01/2022 17:09

Has anyone else noticed a performance parenting epidemic going on?

I know we all ham it up sometimes, but honestly this competitive, virtue signalling parenting seems to be turning into the norm.

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Jarbed · 05/01/2022 10:47

@LadyPropane

Is risotto considered to be a "show off" food in the UK?

It's very cheap and easy to make. I have never thought of it that way before...

No, it's not. That's why so many people have responded with bewilderment to that post.
MollysDolly · 05/01/2022 11:12

Because you find something irritating it was done for your attention.

No, not because it's irritating, but because the performance parent is looking round desperately for attention and acknowledgement, is why you know it was done precisely for their audience's benefit. The audience is not self absorbed, how silly. You don't "wonder" if you are in the presence of a performance parent. You know.

Is risotto considered to be a "show off" food in the UK?

It's very cheap and easy to make. I have never thought of it that way before...

No, it's not. And most people just eat it without making a song and dance. Most people parent without having to performance parent.

The risotto thing is actually a great example. Because essentially what a performance parent is doing, most of the time, is boasting. But rather than walk up to a stranger and start randomly boasting, they loudly boast via their child. And half the time, it's something exactly like risotto. It's unimpressive, but they obviously think it makes them sound fantastic, hence the delivery and looking round to see who's noticed.

Half the cringing is at the fact they are boasting attention seekers, the other half is what they're boasting about is often really quite standard, so they just look foolish to boot.

Jarbed · 05/01/2022 11:19

I do think it's a lot to do with how we perceive the world around us, and those who notice/get irritated by things like this a lot would be better off if they paid a little less mind of what others are doing and saying.

I've never noticed this stuff. I'd never think someone telling their kid to eat their risotto before ballet was bragging or putting on a performance. Maybe they are and I'm just not noticing it, or maybe they're not and some of you are seeing negativity where there is none. Either way, life is less stressful for me than those in the latter group.

Interested in this thread?

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Annaghgloor · 05/01/2022 11:20

@MollysDolly

Lol that people (pretend they) can't tell the difference between just talking to your child and performance parenting. Despite the numerous examples throughout the thread clearly showing the difference.

"Oh, well I speak to my child all the time, bet all you bullies would roll your eyes at me"

Yes dear, that's exactly what performance parenting is. Talking to your child. Hmm

I would explain, but if it hasn't sunk in with the previous 30 PP's explanations, it won't sink in with a 31st.

Tedious.

What some of us aren't getting is how someone going about their own day, possibly wrangling their own child (given how many of the reported performance parenting instances happen in child-centred settings), and thinking about their own stuff, is even aware of all these purported performance parenters 'looking around' for acknowledgement and admiration. I don't think I'm particularly self-absorbed, but someone performance parenting for my benefit would have to grab me by the lapels and be vocally projecting as if to fill a concert hall for me to be aware of anything more then some other person talk to their child.
Franca123 · 05/01/2022 11:30

Well I think this thread has conclusively disproved the 'performance parenting' theory.

MollysDolly · 05/01/2022 11:33

@Franca123

Well I think this thread has conclusively disproved the 'performance parenting' theory.
Interesting. I see a thread of quite the opposite.

I think if people haven't witnessed it, then they are confusing normal interaction with a child, but loud enough that others may hear as performance parenting, which it isn't.

Annaghgloor · 05/01/2022 11:37

I think it's clear that conceptions of what might count as 'performance parenting' are pretty subjective.

Cornettoninja · 05/01/2022 11:39

And half the time, it's something exactly like risotto. It's unimpressive, but they obviously think it makes them sound fantastic, hence the delivery and looking round to see who's noticed

@MollysDolly but you’ve embellished that anecdote yourself.

The actual post read:

georgarina

Just overheard a parent saying "I've brought you risotto to have before your ballet lesson 😂

No mention of looking around for approval/attention or anything even suggesting that. It’s a perfectly normal sentence that someone has overheard and decided is performance parenting based on absolutely nothing.

I suppose it could be missing context that would mean it’s absolutely performance parenting but as a stand alone statement it’s not unless you really put some effort into projecting your own bias on it.

You might think some people are ‘pretending’ not to get it, I think some people are going out of their way to find something that’s not there.

ddl1 · 05/01/2022 11:57

because the performance parent is looking round desperately for attention and acknowledgement, is why you know it was done precisely for their audience's benefit.

Sometimes this is true, but I think what's more usual is that the child gets a bit restless/ noisy/stroppy in a public place; the parents becomes embarrassed and thinks that others will think that they're just not controlling their child; and therefore goes into a somewhat exaggerated display of controlling the situation, and looks around because they're embarrassed and nervous of criticism. As happens in many types of situations, their panicking is making the situation worse, but I don't think it's usually showing off.

MollysDolly · 05/01/2022 12:07

What some of us aren't getting is how someone going about their own day, possibly wrangling their own child (given how many of the reported performance parenting instances happen in child-centred settings), and thinking about their own stuff, is even aware of all these purported performance parenters 'looking around' for acknowledgement and admiration.

As mentioned, if someone is performance parenting, you notice. That's the whole point of them doing their little, well, performance. I completely agree, most of us just bumble along focusing on our lives, but if a performance parent sees an opportunity, you'll hear them, for sure.

I don't think I'm particularly self-absorbed, but someone performance parenting for my benefit would have to grab me by the lapels and be vocally projecting as if to fill a concert hall for me to be aware of anything more then some other person talk to their child.

Why? You can't hear someone boasting unless they grab you by the lapels? If someone is trying to get noticed, most of the time you'll notice.

I didn't experience this until my first was 4. He went to a private school, and there was a culture between maybe 5 of the mothers who had this weird "we call each other friends, but actually everything is a competition" dynamic. Amanda from motherland.

Every day, they would stand in a group waiting to pick up DC.

"Oh, here comes Fred, (loud enough to broadcast across playground) Freddddddd! Guess what, your favourite, monkfish for tea! You know, how Daddy has a boat and catches seabass, but that's only your second favourite isn't it Fred? It's your very favourite tonight!"

Then this parent would look round, so incredibly pleased with their announcement, to see who had noted that their prodigal child eats food that they obviously thought us mere mortals didn't, and most importantly who had noted Daddy has a boat. Whilst technically this is being addressed to their child, it's nothing to do with interacting with their child. Fred is just wandering over, with his mate, not giving a sod about monkfish.

There was one occasion in particular which was world book day, and all the kids looked great. Some outfits had been whipped up at home, some were shop bought. One parent from that group, had done her 5yr old up as Gandalf the White. Now. He looked epic. Fair play. But this wasn't enough. Again, at collection. This time speaking to another mother in that group, as loudly as possible "Yes, he likes Gandalf the White, he's read all the books, and he chose this. The beard? That's from America, you can't get anything decent from shops here (to ensure all parents who had bought their outfits from the shops, knew their place) and I made all the robes myself, I was so lucky really, we popped to our cottage in Cornwall over the weekend and there were lots of spare sheets"

Poor little lad had no idea. As they walked out, one guy on the way in said "Wow what a great beard! Who are you?!" And the boy said "a wizard."

I didn't need to be grabbed by the lapels to notice either performance. I don't think anyone in the playground missed them. No one cares. No one reacts. But everyone sees the performance.

Crabbyboot · 05/01/2022 12:12

I have noticed an epidemic of parents who think that they are too cool to parent, boasting about what they can't be bothered to do for their children.

MollysDolly · 05/01/2022 12:14

No mention of looking around for approval/attention or anything even suggesting that. It’s a perfectly normal sentence that someone has overheard and decided is performance parenting based on absolutely nothing.

I suppose it could be missing context that would mean it’s absolutely performance parenting but as a stand alone statement it’s not unless you really put some effort into projecting your own bias on it.

Yes! That's exactly the point.

Scenario one. "Jane, I've brought you risotto to eat before your lesson".

Fine. Normal. Not performance parenting.

Scenario two. (Loudly) "Jane, I've brought you RISOTTO to eat before your lesson" (looks round to see that enough people have witnessed that I feed my children something I obviously think makes me better than yow.)

And you'll often find that if no one has even looked up, they shut up. But if they've got one person's attention, they will carry on.

"Eat it carefully Jane, you know we have to go straight to your Grade 7 recital, and we simply couldn't do that with mucky fingers!" Tinkly laugh.

MollysDolly · 05/01/2022 12:15

@ddl1

because the performance parent is looking round desperately for attention and acknowledgement, is why you know it was done precisely for their audience's benefit.

Sometimes this is true, but I think what's more usual is that the child gets a bit restless/ noisy/stroppy in a public place; the parents becomes embarrassed and thinks that others will think that they're just not controlling their child; and therefore goes into a somewhat exaggerated display of controlling the situation, and looks around because they're embarrassed and nervous of criticism. As happens in many types of situations, their panicking is making the situation worse, but I don't think it's usually showing off.

This isn't performance parenting.
ldontWanna · 05/01/2022 12:21

@MollysDolly

No mention of looking around for approval/attention or anything even suggesting that. It’s a perfectly normal sentence that someone has overheard and decided is performance parenting based on absolutely nothing.

I suppose it could be missing context that would mean it’s absolutely performance parenting but as a stand alone statement it’s not unless you really put some effort into projecting your own bias on it.

Yes! That's exactly the point.

Scenario one. "Jane, I've brought you risotto to eat before your lesson".

Fine. Normal. Not performance parenting.

Scenario two. (Loudly) "Jane, I've brought you RISOTTO to eat before your lesson" (looks round to see that enough people have witnessed that I feed my children something I obviously think makes me better than yow.)

And you'll often find that if no one has even looked up, they shut up. But if they've got one person's attention, they will carry on.

"Eat it carefully Jane, you know we have to go straight to your Grade 7 recital, and we simply couldn't do that with mucky fingers!" Tinkly laugh.

But the risotto post was scenario 1. Of course maybe the poster didn't have enough time or couldn't be bothered to add the extra detail.

The thing is, while performance parenting does exist(and it would be silly to deny it), it's just as silly to deny that some people don't use the term just to be sneery,judgy and snobby towards perfectly normal things.

Cornettoninja · 05/01/2022 12:28

@MollysDolly

No mention of looking around for approval/attention or anything even suggesting that. It’s a perfectly normal sentence that someone has overheard and decided is performance parenting based on absolutely nothing.

I suppose it could be missing context that would mean it’s absolutely performance parenting but as a stand alone statement it’s not unless you really put some effort into projecting your own bias on it.

Yes! That's exactly the point.

Scenario one. "Jane, I've brought you risotto to eat before your lesson".

Fine. Normal. Not performance parenting.

Scenario two. (Loudly) "Jane, I've brought you RISOTTO to eat before your lesson" (looks round to see that enough people have witnessed that I feed my children something I obviously think makes me better than yow.)

And you'll often find that if no one has even looked up, they shut up. But if they've got one person's attention, they will carry on.

"Eat it carefully Jane, you know we have to go straight to your Grade 7 recital, and we simply couldn't do that with mucky fingers!" Tinkly laugh.

Can’t you see that in this instance you’ve had to add a lot of your own narrative to make it performance parenting?

Maybe the poster didn’t have time to flesh it out, I don’t know, but I do know exactly how she’s recounted it and it’s simply something she overheard.

MollysDolly · 05/01/2022 12:29

But the risotto post was scenario 1. Of course maybe the poster didn't have enough time or couldn't be bothered to add the extra detail.

Whereas I would say it was scenario 2. Because otherwise they wouldn't have posted it as performance parenting they've seen.

Then everyone's got their knicks in a twist because actually, scenario 1 isn't performance parenting. So people are making the correlation that saying something as per scenario one means performance parenting. Then saying it's not. Correct, it's not.

For me, it kind of goes without saying it was scenario two, she didn't need to point out the woman was saying it loudly and seeking attention, because that's what all performance parenting compromises of.

MollysDolly · 05/01/2022 12:30

Can’t you see that in this instance you’ve had to add a lot of your own narrative to make it performance parenting?

Well, yes. Of course I've added to it. I'm trying to show what is, and isn't performance parenting.

Cornettoninja · 05/01/2022 12:36

@MollysDolly, but in the context of this thread you’ve stated people are pretending not to know the difference? Why use an example that is at best ambiguous?

Look, I don’t deny that performance parenting exists, but reading this thread shows a lot of people use performance parenting to just have a pop at parents they’ve taken a dislike to and want to make their dislike socially acceptable enough to slag off. 🤷‍♀️

Franca123 · 05/01/2022 12:39

If there's an epidemic of performance parenting then why are examples so thin on the ground? There's more made up examples than real examples. If people see it all the time, why not relate an example they've actually seen?

Jarbed · 05/01/2022 12:41

The best thing is if you don't notice or care about it, whether it was scenario 1 OR 2.

Then you can go about life without getting "driven insane" by irrelevant things other people say and do.

MollysDolly · 05/01/2022 12:59

[quote Cornettoninja]@MollysDolly, but in the context of this thread you’ve stated people are pretending not to know the difference? Why use an example that is at best ambiguous?

Look, I don’t deny that performance parenting exists, but reading this thread shows a lot of people use performance parenting to just have a pop at parents they’ve taken a dislike to and want to make their dislike socially acceptable enough to slag off. 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
I'm not using ambiguous examples.

I've given several quite clear ones.

It's other posters jumping on solely one (from another poster) that because it didn't specifically say "oh by the way, the woman was being loud and looking around for admiration and acknowledgement" that it's ambiguous.

She didn't put that, because you don't need to when describing performance parenting. All performance parenting is said loudly and for effect to the audience. So it's pretty simple that if someone writes a sentence of performance parenting they've heard, it goes without saying (or in this case, spell it out on a forum) that the parent said it in that manner.

And it's just that one example everyone seems to cling onto, because you can claim ambiguity if you pretend it wasn't said in a performance parent style...

Cornettoninja · 05/01/2022 13:21

@MollysDolly Tbf I only labelled it ambiguous for your benefit. I don’t think it’s ambiguous at face value and given that’s all we’ve got I’m questioning why you feel the need to keep pushing that it might be performance parenting by creating extra information out of thin air? Why not just pick up on an actual example of performance parenting from the thread to rebuff someone?

I’m clearly not holier than thou, the thread title appealed to me for a reason (!), I’m just not prepared to make up my own context to make someone else’s observation valid.

BigValue · 05/01/2022 13:30

Is this a posh people thing? Never seen it in my life.

Annaghgloor · 05/01/2022 13:34

@MollysDolly

What some of us aren't getting is how someone going about their own day, possibly wrangling their own child (given how many of the reported performance parenting instances happen in child-centred settings), and thinking about their own stuff, is even aware of all these purported performance parenters 'looking around' for acknowledgement and admiration.

As mentioned, if someone is performance parenting, you notice. That's the whole point of them doing their little, well, performance. I completely agree, most of us just bumble along focusing on our lives, but if a performance parent sees an opportunity, you'll hear them, for sure.

I don't think I'm particularly self-absorbed, but someone performance parenting for my benefit would have to grab me by the lapels and be vocally projecting as if to fill a concert hall for me to be aware of anything more then some other person talk to their child.

Why? You can't hear someone boasting unless they grab you by the lapels? If someone is trying to get noticed, most of the time you'll notice.

I didn't experience this until my first was 4. He went to a private school, and there was a culture between maybe 5 of the mothers who had this weird "we call each other friends, but actually everything is a competition" dynamic. Amanda from motherland.

Every day, they would stand in a group waiting to pick up DC.

"Oh, here comes Fred, (loud enough to broadcast across playground) Freddddddd! Guess what, your favourite, monkfish for tea! You know, how Daddy has a boat and catches seabass, but that's only your second favourite isn't it Fred? It's your very favourite tonight!"

Then this parent would look round, so incredibly pleased with their announcement, to see who had noted that their prodigal child eats food that they obviously thought us mere mortals didn't, and most importantly who had noted Daddy has a boat. Whilst technically this is being addressed to their child, it's nothing to do with interacting with their child. Fred is just wandering over, with his mate, not giving a sod about monkfish.

There was one occasion in particular which was world book day, and all the kids looked great. Some outfits had been whipped up at home, some were shop bought. One parent from that group, had done her 5yr old up as Gandalf the White. Now. He looked epic. Fair play. But this wasn't enough. Again, at collection. This time speaking to another mother in that group, as loudly as possible "Yes, he likes Gandalf the White, he's read all the books, and he chose this. The beard? That's from America, you can't get anything decent from shops here (to ensure all parents who had bought their outfits from the shops, knew their place) and I made all the robes myself, I was so lucky really, we popped to our cottage in Cornwall over the weekend and there were lots of spare sheets"

Poor little lad had no idea. As they walked out, one guy on the way in said "Wow what a great beard! Who are you?!" And the boy said "a wizard."

I didn't need to be grabbed by the lapels to notice either performance. I don't think anyone in the playground missed them. No one cares. No one reacts. But everyone sees the performance.

I think this post explains why you’re over-sensitised to performance parenting, @MollysDolly — you’ve clearly spent too much time in enforced proximity to desperately insecure people who fed off one another’s anxiety and competitiveness in an environment that provided opportunities for social boasting, and a receptive audience. Most people would die laughing at that kind of speech — they would certainly be regarded as idiots at DS’s hippy school, where book day costumes are often wild, as lots of parents are creatives of some type, and where boats could be a yacht or a working trawler — so presumably this set recognised at some level they were impressing one another, if no one else?
ThePlantsitter · 05/01/2022 13:43

I just think show-offs are show-offs whatever their milieu. Parenting is no different except that parents are often just trying to go about their day in whatever way they can and people being openly judgemental about it is inhibiting.

p.s. I used the word milieu on purpose to get on your tits, if you're wondering if I was performance posting.