Tustin and Hughes thread 2

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Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

DaphneDeloresMoorhead yes completely agree, years of being able to get away with excuses and never being called up on it

Humprey yes I think after the boy friend saw Arthur in that state, an ambulance should have been called

I don't know if it has been mentioned but a social worker was interviewed on GMB this week in relation to this case. She said that when the grandparent saw Arthur's shoulder and took a photo to send to SS, the social worker explained that she should have also sought medical help to trigger an SW investigation. When quizzed by Martin Lewis and Suzanna Reid on this, the SW explained that doing so would have prompted an investigation by SS. To which Susanna replied, that's what the Grandmother was doing in the first place, reporting it to SS.

The system is a complex convoluted one and it appears that if you don't go through the 'correct channels' first, not a lot will happen. I'll try and find the interview.

Link to vid:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFlqi0JtLlM

Well it’s a crying shame that duting all the stop child cruelty campaigns by the NSPCC et al that this bit of information had never been shared. Thank you Wendy Thorogood for telling us the right way to access help for a child should, God forbid, we ever need it.

What a convoluted and crazy system that must be "gamed" to work properly. I guess what is needed is to have a place one can go to get info on the best way of reporting so there's an actual bit of chance of being taken seriously....

I must admit from past experience of various beaurocratic organisations I tend to spam as many email address, phone numbers as I can and usually with a mock up headline so one was " x car insurance firm leaves two month old babies family without a car one week before Xmas".

Thanks, Cmsadvice for that video.

It's seems that she is basically admitting that social services is not fit for purpose, and therefore she advises people to go straight to a doctor or hospital if they suspect a child is being abused. There at least there is a chance that the concerns will be taken seriously.

Not sure if this has been posted before, apologies if it has:

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/05/dont-be-fooled-by-deceitful-parents-top-child-expert-warns-social-workers

Narey, who has advised the government on adoption and other children’s issues, including the reform of social work education, said: “Social workers do an outstanding job generally, but some of them need to have more scepticism when they’re dealing with parents who are manipulative and deceitful.”

He added that Arthur’s death exposed flaws in the current approach of social services, which, he said, placed an onus on working with parents instead of ensuring the child’s safety, if necessary by taking them into care.

I feel like this particular point has come up again and again in discussions here: that the primary focus of SS seems to be on 'working with parents' to keep families together at all costs, with the presumption being that abusive parents just need more education and support in how to be better parents.

This fails to recognise that adults abuse young children because they can. Young children are safe targets for adults' anger and sadism, because they cannot defend themselves. It's not a matter of the abusive parent being uneducated or ignorant and needing 'support'.

Yes there's too much of a deluded rainbow and candy floss approach going on it seems. Is that because incentives are wrong? Do sw get rewarded for families kept together? Reduced costs?

Just read about Kermani Watson Darby. I literally can't anymore. What is wrong with these people? Just seems to be story after story after story and these are just the ones that make the headlines.

@LongRoseAhead

Sorry - this is probably totally wrong (I’ve not followed the case as closely as some on here) but I wonder if the fact that Arthur’s mum was in jail acted as a bit of a tragic red herring - especially with the School. If you were looking into the sudden fixation with violence and being killed by a young pupil, and it transpired that their mother was in prison for murder and that they’d even witnessed a previous violent attack, well I that it’s a fairy logical conclusion that that’s the cause of the behaviour. It could easily effect his eating habits too. Only in this case it wasn’t the cause, it was blocking an absolutely shocking, unimaginable truth. Obviously it doesn’t explain bruises, but I wonder if they were so certain they knew the root of Arthur’s misery that they hindered themselves from looking for other explanations. And if that is the case then something needs to be done to address it. Although even if the above was part of the problem it’s still shocking that there wasn’t a plan in place for him and that school attendance didn’t flag up very serious concerns.

I work in education and after reading through the case I know that I would've done this. If he'd said to me about worrying his dad was going to kill him, I'd certainly have reported it as a concern, but I'm also fairly sure I'd have seen it as being pretty consistent with the traumas he's already been through with mum. As it happens, we've seen a noticeable rise in anonymous reports to ss over the past few weeks so maybe this has made a lot of people, myself included, more aware of the need for everybody to be vigilant.

What angers me is you have all these people aware that a toddler or child is being abused and they do absolutely nothing. Kermani’s father was aware that she beat him and was violent towards him but he left him there. Ffs if these children can’t trust their parents and families to act to keep them safe I just despair.

So many signs missed there were several reports to SS and pictures ...just makes me mad when he could’ve been saved...lockdown didn’t help but still!! Family should’ve gone for him and taken him it’s utterly utterly heartbreaking ...Any more word of the sentence reviews it’s gone quiet? They are supposed to be reviewed as they are too lenient ...

I think the reviewers have 28 days from the day of sentencing. I'm checking everyday but couldn't see anything yet. I hope they increase both to make them rot in there...

100% agree, please keep us posted @HumpreyDowny...I pray they get whole life sentences and get told they will never ever be released....

I am also praying the sentences get increased.
Mainly his.
Does anyone know where we are with the star housing trial?

Hobson-sorry

@charliebear78 I’ve just read that brockhill has been found guilty of murdering Star and smith guilty of allowing it. Sentencing tomorrow.

So in effect same as tustin and Hughes?
Thank you

@charliebear78 no causing or allowing death is a lesser crime than manslaughter. She won't get anywhere near what hughes got.

[quote DueyCheatemAndHow]@charliebear78 no causing or allowing death is a lesser crime than manslaughter. She won't get anywhere near what hughes got.[/quote]
She got 8 years. 8 years!

Has anyone heard about the reviews of their sentences? Still haven't come across anything. Recent Hakeem and Logan cases are heartbreaking....

They are being reviewed next month.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/arthur-labinjo-hughes-killers-among-23571661

Thank you Ellie..