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Tustin and Hughes thread 2

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Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 14:40

Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

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Gonnagetgoing · 06/12/2021 16:28

Have just seen that one of the relatives wants them to stay in prison for life - e.g. meaning life.

And also seen interviews (?) from the inmates who spiked her meals with salt and why etc.

The bitch honestly deserves nothing at all good in her life.

Was seeing poor Arthur's silence on news at football matches yesterday and shed a tear. Poor poor little love - won't be wearing his footie strip, being taken to a match or wearing his superhero costumes. so sad Sad

ElfontheShelfisLookingatYou · 06/12/2021 16:32

I also don't think tustin was moving Arthur around to position him I think she took him away from the the camera to, as she said "get a reaction" probably doing similar to what Hughes did.

The way she did the lolling head gesture to the police lady on the body cam, even that was being rude about Arthur.
Making fun of him the way she did it.

ElfontheShelfisLookingatYou · 06/12/2021 16:34

All his hopes and dreams absolutely ripped away, the little clip of him telling his uncle he wanted to play football.

His own father will be out with plenty of time to have more dc and live his life and yet Arthur's gets nothing.

It's not long enough I hope they raise the sentence.

Gonnagetgoing · 06/12/2021 16:42

@ElfontheShelfisLookingatYou

All his hopes and dreams absolutely ripped away, the little clip of him telling his uncle he wanted to play football.

His own father will be out with plenty of time to have more dc and live his life and yet Arthur's gets nothing.

It's not long enough I hope they raise the sentence.

@ElfontheShelfisLookingatYou - he seemed to be such a bright kid too, reading etc - not that it should make a difference that he wasn't bright.

I think Tustin (and Hughes) realised that Arthur wasn't stupid, that he 'had their number' and knew what they were up to but sadly he was too young to properly speak up or to escape back to other relatives. and I bet Tustin/Hughes both told Arthur he was too naughty etc and that they wouldn't want him. If he'd been a bit older he might've run away. Breaks my heart. Poor little boy.

oakleaffy · 06/12/2021 16:43

[quote Drinkingallthewine]@oakleaffy where did you see the court report?[/quote]
@Drinkingallthewine
It was online.
However, I wish I'd not seen it.

I wanted to know WHY Tustin was not forced to face the Sentencing, instead of cowering in her cell like the cowardly bully she is.

Kippersfortea · 06/12/2021 16:46

I read about the detached retina it's in the article from ET's prison cell mate talking about how she found the court paper work and it said about the detached retina then she lost her temper at ET. After that ET had salt put in her food and other bullying in prison. Before that nobody had seen her papers, 150 bruises.

Itsnotover · 06/12/2021 17:00

She had a termination to spite Hughes.

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Bagelsandbrie · 06/12/2021 17:06

I think with the pregnancy she seemed to think she would miscarry and was shocked when she didn’t. That was her third pregnancy with Hughes- the other ones ended in early miscarriage and there were texts in the trial which mentioned her blaming Arthur for that and saying how he wanted to kill them baby in her belly (load of absolute crap no doubt). In the trial they questioned why neither of them were using contraception and neither could really give an answer! Fantastic all round really. 🙄🙄🙄

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Cmsadvice · 06/12/2021 20:44

I just hope Arthur gets the send off he deserves. The thought of him still in the morgue is terrifying. Such a beautiful boy, I still can't believe this has happened.

mrshoho · 06/12/2021 22:40

This dear child should have been cherished, loved and protected. How proud I would have been to have a little lad like Arthur as part of our family. This crazy world we live is so unfair that it is hard to make any sense of it at all.

mathanxiety · 07/12/2021 06:08

Arthur had a detached right retina (probably from the force of the blows that killed him), one kidney had no functional tissue while the other had become enlarged (from abuse), and an enlarged thymus gland (from severe, sustained stress) - according to the pathologist who testified, iirc. 130 injuries all over his body were recorded.

DueyCheatemAndHow · 07/12/2021 06:43

@oakleaffy DH (who is a barrister) said the same. She should have been carried into the courtroom if necessary. Disgraceful that she was just allowed to opt out.

ufucoffee · 07/12/2021 08:13

Throughout the trial neither showed any remorse. No remorse. I wonder what is going through their minds to show no remorse.

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Bagelsandbrie · 07/12/2021 08:36

Just watched the maternal grandmother on Good Morning Britain. What an incredible woman she is. I hope people are supportive of the wider family. I keep seeing horrible comments on social media saying they should have done more - they did everything they could! Sad

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QuickSandSickSand · 07/12/2021 08:38

Ugh I hate they ‘they should have done more’ comments - short of storming into someone’s property in the midst of a national lockdown and kidnapping the child - for which they’d be arrested and the child returned - what more could they actually have done?!

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Bagelsandbrie · 07/12/2021 08:42

@QuickSandSickSand

Ugh I hate they ‘they should have done more’ comments - short of storming into someone’s property in the midst of a national lockdown and kidnapping the child - for which they’d be arrested and the child returned - what more could they actually have done?!
Exactly. They’d been told they would be arrested if they went to the house.

I feel desperately sad for all of them. They clearly loved and adored Arthur.

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EvilPea · 07/12/2021 09:00

@QuickSandSickSand

Ugh I hate they ‘they should have done more’ comments - short of storming into someone’s property in the midst of a national lockdown and kidnapping the child - for which they’d be arrested and the child returned - what more could they actually have done?!
They did what we are told to do. They were following the correct channels. There was nothing more they could do, not if they wanted to still see Arthur. To make sure the right people had custody.

How many times on here do you read about the threat of reversal of custody if you don’t play the game and “behave”.

Imdreamingofapeacefulxmas · 07/12/2021 09:15

I think the messages passed need to be disclosed by police and sw systems.
Not to further blame them but just see what the messages were. Of course much is verbal but we need to see what was documented.
One sw didn't even have her notes at the trial Confused

Onthedowns · 07/12/2021 09:38

@Bagelsandbrie

Just watched the maternal grandmother on Good Morning Britain. What an incredible woman she is. I hope people are supportive of the wider family. I keep seeing horrible comments on social media saying they should have done more - they did everything they could! Sad
Whilst i agree. I am unsure why when the grandmother photo those bruises he wasn't taken to hospital?

I wouldn't like to guarantee but I think the threat of arrest wouldn't deter me if i had any suspicion which they did. Surely any commotion might have alerted the police age perhaps started more wheels in motion. I appreciate its lockdown but also he should have been in school they were fobbed off.

It's a lot of what ifs, which makes it all the worse

Drinkingallthewine · 07/12/2021 10:12

@Imdreamingofapeacefulxmas

I think the messages passed need to be disclosed by police and sw systems. Not to further blame them but just see what the messages were. Of course much is verbal but we need to see what was documented. One sw didn't even have her notes at the trial Confused
I remember reading that and thinking that she had to have been instructed by someone in her job not to bring her notes to trial.

I wonder what they were afraid the notes would reveal?

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Bagelsandbrie · 07/12/2021 10:16

@Drinkingallthewine I thought that too. I mean who does that? Even the judge was angry with them and said they weren’t taking the trial seriously. I think the word “scared” was in the notes and the sw had to try and explain it but she gave a very off handed explanation that she’d basically been thinking and scribbled it down and no one had said it…?!!

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Imdreamingofapeacefulxmas · 07/12/2021 10:23

Again there should be a mechanism to reveal all the notes instantly and all the emails, any recorded phone calls the on line chat the uncle had with the police etc

Imdreamingofapeacefulxmas · 07/12/2021 10:29

Another issue is we know how common it is very sadly for in laws to be malicious and demonise their sons gf /partner and wife.
I bet they get lots of this. My own in laws were incredibly nasty to me just after the birth of my first child, they even mentioned social services over mess in the house (which was more than understandable at the time and I was under extreme mitigating circumstances).
So I do wonder with the malicious report element, the nasty in laws, huhes mum so called being nasty to tustin was what the authorities thought?

I mean... And this in absolutely no way blames them because who would ever know the true horror of what's going on, but if anyone here has suspicious about how your own dc is treating the grandchild, and you found the chair time list what would you do?
Hughes mum said to tustin not her own son, what's the chair about.
I'm not sure when she found the chair list? Was that given to police?
Did she reprimand her son or talk to her own son about making Arthur sit on the chair (in the annex) etc. Even after all of this they say it's all tustin...

That frustrates me it really does.

NalPolishRemover · 07/12/2021 10:32

@Bagelsandbrie I have only heard that the SW did not bring the notes & the judge got cross & accused them of not taking the trial seriously. The sw worker claimed the notes were lost but somehow managed to find them when ordered by the judge. Which in itself is quite unimaginable to men such a serious case with such tragic outcomes - you make sure you have everything you're required to have to hand.

Are you saying the sw wrote that Arthur was scared & yet they still closed the file after that 1 v unsatisfactory meeting? That's pretty damning really

What happens in situations like this where the SW CLEARLY did not perform their duty properly. Are they disciplined? Do they get further training ? Do they get signed off for stress ? Do they just keep working?

NalPolishRemover · 07/12/2021 10:33

To me, not to men