Page 21 | Tustin and Hughes thread 2

Bagelsandbrie · 2021-12-03T14:40:51+00:00

Continued from [[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer]]

Drinkingallthewine · 05/12/2021 23:45

I saw a theory online that I agree with.

I don't think that was the first instance of Arthur being beaten unconscious by them.

The way that Hughes' slapped his head and they tried to give him a drink after his final loss of consciousness feels like they'd previously done that to bring him around after an assault.
It's been reported that aside from the fatal brain injury, he had evidence of two earlier brain traumas. I don't know how true that is but to me it sounds plausible.

mathanxiety · 05/12/2021 23:51

Agree ^^

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 06/12/2021 00:11

I wondered about the “pouring water into him” that Tustin mentioned in the police footage. It’s not something I’ve ever heard of being used to revive someone who is unconscious (I’ve heard of splashing water in peoples faces if they have fainted but not pouring it in their mouth) so I assumed she was just stupid and didn’t know what to but I reckon the PPs who suggest they have knocked him unconscious before are right.

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 06/12/2021 00:16

Also there is lots of talk about how to create a change in getting people to report concerns etc. I think a big factor would be to teach children how to report anything that’s happening to them/a sibling/a friend from as soon as they’re in school. I don’t just mean a once a year assembly. I mean ongoing conversation in the classroom about what language/behaviours are wrong and who to tell. Having constant reminders that you can tell your teacher/classroom assistant anything that is upsetting you or scaring you or hurting you. I don’t know how much of that happens in primary schools so maybe it is all already being done but I definitely think children should know what is abusive behaviour and who they can tell.

NalPolishRemover · 06/12/2021 07:46

@Mathanxiety i agree. If that father had broken another adults leg in a fit of rage he'd have been prosecuted & serving a sentence most likely.

It's shocking that he essentially got away with it because the victim was a tiny defenceless baby.

Imagine growing up & discovering your father has assaulted you when you were only 10 weeks old to the point of breaking your bone & your mother colluded with him to cover it up until they couldn't conceal it any more. Imagine the pain that little baby was in? They don't deserve to keep that child & the child certainly doesn't deserved to be condemned to a life with them.

I don't understand the world sometimes & the amount of cruelty to children that's being reported at the moment is truly sickening

LadyCleathStuart · 06/12/2021 09:56

I wonder in terms of Hughes saying he hadn't beaten or abused Arthur before....when Tustin thought he had elbowed her son she went mental, phoned the boys dad etc. - now this could just be what she was like but it could also have been because she knew how Hughes had been with Arthur and was setting out a clear warning to him about her own kids?

Not defending her btw just wondering if this might show how Hughes was horrible to Arthur before she even got involved and she knew it.

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Bagelsandbrie · 06/12/2021 10:51

@LadyCleathStuart

I wonder in terms of Hughes saying he hadn't beaten or abused Arthur before....when Tustin thought he had elbowed her son she went mental, phoned the boys dad etc. - now this could just be what she was like but it could also have been because she knew how Hughes had been with Arthur and was setting out a clear warning to him about her own kids?

Not defending her btw just wondering if this might show how Hughes was horrible to Arthur before she even got involved and she knew it.

Possibly. But then I think it was more about manipulating the men. She wanted them to fall all over her and she loved the drama. She also didn’t mind Hughes taking her 2 children out on his own - when she fatally assaulted Arthur he was wandering round the shops with the Tustin children!

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Maddison12 · 06/12/2021 11:10

I hope the hairdresser and her boyfriend also feel suitably guilty. They had Arthur in their home, 2 days in a row, including the day he died, being shouted at, deprived of food and drink and being made to face a wall for 6 hours each day and neither of them thought to ring 999 or social services. Absolute scum.

^Seen this on the first thread, still amazed that they haven't brought in a law about reporting child abuse. The scumbag hairdresser should be able to be prosecuted imo. She said she had to 'sneak him water' like she was doing something great. To sit and watch that happening in your own home is all kinds of low. Why on earth didn't she do something, anything, when it mattered, while that little lad was still alive?

Drinkingallthewine · 06/12/2021 12:59

If you look at Tustin's hair that she supposedly got done that day it's not a fresh hairdo. It's a few weeks of roots and plaits.

Also, I've never brought DP to my hair appointment, and you wouldn't bring your kids either unless you've literally no choice.

The hairdresser and partner were friends of Tustin and Hughes, Tustin referred to her as a friend in one clip but understandably who the fuck would admit to being friends with those two??

AliceMcK · 06/12/2021 13:33

@Drinkingallthewine

If you look at Tustin's hair that she supposedly got done that day it's not a fresh hairdo. It's a few weeks of roots and plaits.

Also, I've never brought DP to my hair appointment, and you wouldn't bring your kids either unless you've literally no choice.

The hairdresser and partner were friends of Tustin and Hughes, Tustin referred to her as a friend in one clip but understandably who the fuck would admit to being friends with those two??

It was during lockdown, hairdressers were closed, she went to the friends/hairdressers house apparently.

nomoneytreehere · 06/12/2021 13:38

Also there is lots of talk about how to create a change in getting people to report concerns etc. I think a big factor would be to teach children how to report anything that’s happening to them/a sibling/a friend from as soon as they’re in school. I don’t just mean a once a year assembly. I mean ongoing conversation in the classroom about what language/behaviours are wrong and who to tell. Having constant reminders that you can tell your teacher/classroom assistant anything that is upsetting you or scaring you or hurting you. I don’t know how much of that happens in primary schools so maybe it is all already being done but I definitely think children should know what is abusive behaviour and who they can tell.

This. The only people with something to hide are the dysfunctional ones. And they might benefit from a bit of help if there is intervention.

I have been thinking that years ago, kids played out more and although things were covered up even young children would get fed at neighbours houses etc and would also be out of the way of the abusive. Covid and locked in the house with this pair meant he really stood no chance.

Jojobees · 06/12/2021 14:00

I’ve just read a comment from her solicitors that said “ Tustin was obliged to have a termination” and terminated a pregnancy at 21 weeks whilst in prison awaiting trial.

Did they force her to abort the baby?

Kippersfortea · 06/12/2021 14:06

It doesn't mean she was legally obliged. It's just poor wording. In other articles it said she was hoping she would have a miscarriage naturally but when this didn't happen chose to have a termination.

Kippersfortea · 06/12/2021 14:07

If she felt morally obliged after realising she would never be allowed to keep the baby and would give birth in prison, then a moral obligation is another use of the word oblige which would make sense here. Or it would if she was the kind of person who made decisions based on her morals, ofc

DueyCheatemAndHow · 06/12/2021 14:14

21 weeks

mydogisthebest · 06/12/2021 14:16

@Drinkingallthewine

If you look at Tustin's hair that she supposedly got done that day it's not a fresh hairdo. It's a few weeks of roots and plaits.

Also, I've never brought DP to my hair appointment, and you wouldn't bring your kids either unless you've literally no choice.

The hairdresser and partner were friends of Tustin and Hughes, Tustin referred to her as a friend in one clip but understandably who the fuck would admit to being friends with those two??

Lots of women bring their children to the hairdresser I use. One time a woman had 4 children there, the eldest being 13.

oakleaffy · 06/12/2021 14:20

I saw a Prison Officer recently in a shop {Obviously won't mention which part of UK.... They were in uniform }
I asked them if it was likely that Tustin and Hughes would be 'Targeted' in prison.
The officer said ''It's very likely. Everyone {inside} is aware of the case, and feelings are running high''.

oakleaffy · 06/12/2021 14:35

@Ellie56

I have been thinking about this, and the footage of them both on the police camera with Tustin talking. I think they’d beaten Arthur unconscious before. They obviously thought he’d just wake up like he’d done before (if my assumption is correct) and that’s why they both seem so calm / laid back. I bet Hughes had knocked him out previously and revived him with a drink and a prod / smack. That’s why he thought it would work this time.

This had never occurred to me before, but it does make sense. They must have been shitting themselves when they realised Arthur wasn't going to come round this time. Vile bastards. I hope there was a great welcome party for them when they got back to prison after being sentenced.

Does anybody know- will they stay in the same prison or will they now be moved?

@Ellie56 I think most inmates will likely be hosting a ''Welcome party'', and from a brief exchange recently with a Prison officer, a lot of Staff feel equally outraged at how Arthur was brutalised.

Arthur suffered a detached retina from trauma{ Court report} That surely meant he would have suffered sight loss. Unfathomable.

These two, and others like them really don't deserve protection in jail, but will probably get it, by being put on a ''Nonce'' wing {If such a thing exists}.

Maddison12 · 06/12/2021 15:14

These two, and others like them really don't deserve protection in jail, but will probably get it, by being put on a ''Nonce'' wing {If such a thing exists}.

'Nonce wings' definitely exist, usually called VP (vulnerable prisoner) wings. The government bend over backwards time and time again to protect these people from harm. But who was protecting Arthur?

Drinkingallthewine · 06/12/2021 15:14

@oakleaffy where did you see the court report?

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Bagelsandbrie · 06/12/2021 15:25

[quote Drinkingallthewine]@oakleaffy where did you see the court report?[/quote]
Here - www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/key-evidence-arthur-labinjo-hughes-21872353

They may have removed it all now though. It used to be all on this page, live updates from the trial.
You could scroll right back to the beginning but they may have taken it off now.

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Bagelsandbrie · 06/12/2021 15:27

Just checked and they’ve removed it all now I think.

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Drinkingallthewine · 06/12/2021 16:05

@Bagelsandbrie

Just checked and they’ve removed it all now I think.

It's probably just as well that I don't read the long list of injuries - I've had sleepless nights thinking about Arthur as it is.

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Bagelsandbrie · 06/12/2021 16:11

@Drinkingallthewine ❤️💐

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Meandmini3 · 06/12/2021 16:27

@Malibuismysecrethome
Information sharing IS hampered by data protection. I am a safeguarding lead teacher in a primary school. I cannot contact another professional (health visitor, school nurse, social worker, a sibling’s head teacher at another school etc) to discuss a child without parental consent. I can only contact social services without consent if I believe the child is in immediate danger of significant harm. When I phone the social services phone line the first thing the call handler asks me is if I have obtained parental consent to discuss/share. If I don’t have this then they won’t engage with me.

Little Arthur’s school were contacted by the grandmother after social workers dismissed the bruises. The school contacted the social service team only to be told there were no issues. The school should have been told to whisk him into school under the vulnerable child provisions that were in place at that time. Even a hint that they should be a little worried may have helped.