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Tustin and Hughes thread 2

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Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 14:40

Continued from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4416690-Emma-Tustin-is-a-murderer

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SinisterBumFacedCat · 03/12/2021 15:05

At least she can’t ever have children again. He should be castrated. The sentences, in comparison only to previous sentences handed out to “parents” who kill their children are pretty long, but they will never bring that boy back or whisk him into the the care of those who would gladly have raised him. This story has really hit me, my DS must think I’m going insane because I keep telling him I love him all day.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 03/12/2021 15:07

She’s being bullied in prison is she.
Well that’s what happens to child killers and abusers.

I won’t sleep for a year now worrying about the evil bitch.

They both should have got whole life tariffs.

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 03/12/2021 15:07

@DonkeySkin has outlined some brilliant points from the other thread. I'd be more than happy to see SS allowed to bring some muscle with them to peoples homes if it meant more children were saved from this kind of horror.

Nextstationpaddington · 03/12/2021 15:07

I am so sorry for what you and your sibling went through Drinkingallthewine.

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 03/12/2021 15:09

@DonkeySkin I'm trying to find the information on who'll be doing the review.

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 03/12/2021 15:12

From The Guardian:

An investigation has been launched into local social services, which failed to detect the abuse that began when Hughes moved into Tustin’s home in Solihull with his son during lockdown last year.

West Midlands police are also being investigated by the police watchdog for their actions after being forwarded photos of the bruises on Arthur’s body.

ForgedInFire · 03/12/2021 15:17

Hughes mothers statement really rubbed me the wrong way as well.

I'm confused on how Tustin was able to take an overdose while she was in prison? How would she access the pills

Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 15:17

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

From The Guardian:

An investigation has been launched into local social services, which failed to detect the abuse that began when Hughes moved into Tustin’s home in Solihull with his son during lockdown last year.

West Midlands police are also being investigated by the police watchdog for their actions after being forwarded photos of the bruises on Arthur’s body.

Good. It will never be enough but it’s something.
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RainySnows99 · 03/12/2021 15:18

Just read the sentencing document and it's enough to make anyone weep .The things Hughes suggested Tustin do to his own son were just disgusting and horrific .He egged her on and in my eyes is just as guilty .

Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 15:18

@ForgedInFire

Hughes mothers statement really rubbed me the wrong way as well.

I'm confused on how Tustin was able to take an overdose while she was in prison? How would she access the pills

They gave her painkillers for a headache and she stashed them and didn’t actually take them. They need to be watching her more closely.
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BreadBreadBread · 03/12/2021 15:22

@ForgedInFire

Hughes mothers statement really rubbed me the wrong way as well.

I'm confused on how Tustin was able to take an overdose while she was in prison? How would she access the pills

I think drugs can be fairly easily obtained in prisons.
BreadBreadBread · 03/12/2021 15:22

Ah x post, sorry

Drinkingallthewine · 03/12/2021 15:23

@Nextstationpaddington

I am so sorry for what you and your sibling went through Drinkingallthewine.
Thank you Next As I mentioned in the other thread, SS did swoop in, take my sibling out of school and we were all interviewed by the SS lady and a female police officer. They were lovely and kind and ballsy. My parents were strict religious types so it was a 'spare the rod' doctrine they followed until then. And they were very willing to work with SS and I'm very happy to say that they never used physical punishment for us from that point on - I got the usual grounding like my peers. SS intervention in our case - and I know it's not the same for every family - was not traumatic for us children and it genuinely did improve our childhoods.
Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 15:28

@PleaseGoDontGoAgain

I can't stop wondering why she kept telling EVERYONE he had headbutted her? The 999 operator didn't need to know that. Was it to explain away a bruise she had or something?
I think she genuinely believed if she kept saying the same narrative over and over again (which was - her words- Arthur had “battered” them all, thrown himself against the floor, head butted her, kicked her etc etc) that people would believe her. It’s almost like a form of brain washing. I think she was genuinely surprised when she was arrested, she thought she’d get away with it. She and Hughes had pulled the wool over the authorities eyes until then, she probably thought she was on to a winner with her lies.
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Drinkingallthewine · 03/12/2021 15:29

@Bagelsandbrie

I suspect Hughes Mum is finding it hard to accept her son was as much a part in Arthur’s murder as Tustin. I imagine it will hit her like a ton of bricks once the trial coverage has died down.
I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt at the moment - isn't it the case where in order to keep witness testimony uninfluenced, witnesses aren't made aware of the full facts of the case?

I hope this is the case with her.

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 03/12/2021 15:32

How long after the attack were ET and TH arrested?

Porcupineintherough · 03/12/2021 15:39

Well I for one would dearly like to know what action was taken after the pictures of the bruising were forwarded to the police. That together with the known facts (Tutsin having previously had children removed) and allegations should have been sounding klaxons left, right and centre.

PrinzessinCressida · 03/12/2021 15:42

DonkeySkin

That PP was me - thank you very much for those lists of suggestions.

I like the "red alert" under certain circumstances, and the emphasis on children's rights. Ultimately I feel that there has to be a cultural shift where children are seen less as the "exclusive property" of the parent/carer, and their wellbeing seen more as the responsibility of the wider community. Parent/carers need to understand children's rights, and the responsibilities to deliver on those rights that their guardian role assigns to them. We also need to understand on a deeper level than we do currently that a child is not for their parents to do unto them simply as they see fit, especially those parents who struggle with self-control and are likely to cause harm. That might help catch cases before a child actually dies - it sounds like the abuse may start relatively small and then compound itself exponentially as the abuser loses perspective on the enormity of what they are doing. (Not making any excuses here).

I like the idea of increasing powers to conduct more thorough investigations, of allowing for those investigations to be instigated by family members, of allowing for concerned family members to take a more active role in protecting children in extreme circumstances without being seen as "kidnappers", but the questions of resources and potential misuse of these powers crops up for me here. What do you think?

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 03/12/2021 15:43

@Porcupineintherough

Well I for one would dearly like to know what action was taken after the pictures of the bruising were forwarded to the police. That together with the known facts (Tutsin having previously had children removed) and allegations should have been sounding klaxons left, right and centre.
This is something that's being investigated. There was no follow up from the photos and police told Daniel Hughes he'd be arrested if he tried to visit his nephew to check on his welfare.
MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 03/12/2021 15:43

@Porcupineintherough

Well I for one would dearly like to know what action was taken after the pictures of the bruising were forwarded to the police. That together with the known facts (Tutsin having previously had children removed) and allegations should have been sounding klaxons left, right and centre.
Exactly. It’s really shocking that it didn’t trigger immediate concern.
thereisonlyoneofme · 03/12/2021 15:45

More lessons will be learnt, I dont think.
The number of children over the years that we have heard about, and plenty we havent.
What about that poor little Tony who had to have his legs amputated because of abuse.

In nearly every case Social Services have failed.

MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 03/12/2021 15:45

What can people do if they have concerns about a child and social services and the police are not taking them seriously? This seems to have been the biggest factor in this case. The family were repeatedly reporting and at one point we’re threatened with arrest! That needs to change.

kirinm · 03/12/2021 15:46

I don't lay any blame on the extended family but I think if I felt that my nephew / grandson was being abused I'd still go round there and make repeated complaints regardless of threats from the police. There shouldn't have been threats from the police but it wouldn't stop me. I suspect if anyone did get arrested by the police, it would have been investigated further.

Bagelsandbrie · 03/12/2021 15:47

@Porcupineintherough

Well I for one would dearly like to know what action was taken after the pictures of the bruising were forwarded to the police. That together with the known facts (Tutsin having previously had children removed) and allegations should have been sounding klaxons left, right and centre.
I followed the trial from day 1 and I’m trying to remember what happened… I may be wrong but I think after that photo was sent social services went to visit Arthur at Tustins house - the day after the photo was taken. The two social workers saw Arthur playing with Tustins son in the garden and saw that he seemed happy and Tustin said the bruise was from the boys playing boxing. (Who let’s their kids play boxing but anyway, obviously that was a lie regardless). The social workers basically left it at that.

Some time after that Arthur’s uncle contacted the police again, forwarding copies of photos they had taken and apparently the police told them social workers had been round and had no concerns. He wouldn’t even look at the photos. The uncle begged him to and even contacted that persons manager who said he would check the photos but he never did. And basically they then warned the Hughes family that if they turned up at Tustins house they would be arrested for harassment etc.

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Porcupineintherough · 03/12/2021 15:47

@PrinzessinCressida the problem with the latter suggestion is how easily it could be abused. How many times could a "concerned" person take your child for forcible examination and under what circumstances? Think of all the cases on here with posts from women with overbearing, interfering parents/inlaws being advised to keep them away from their kids. How would that work if anyone basically has the right to remove your child from your care without warning?