French Man has fingers removed to resemble "alien."

[Mochudubh]

Not sure if this is the right place to post this but it popped up on my news feed and I initially thought it would make a lighthearted "Oh look, a man identifying as an alien now" post.

Reading the article it's absolutely horrific. This poor man needs help, not people indulging his delusions. The surgeons involved need struck off, whatever country they're in.

TW - images are disturbing.
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/beauty/cosmetic-surgery/worlds-most-modified-man-chops-off-two-fingers-in-bid-to-become-black-alien/news-story/d84bf65c5d50d598d2bfa7b6d0e76d23.

I'm almost as shocked the paper has this under "Beauty, Cosmetic Surgery"

@MoveAhoy

He plans his mods and doesn't hurt himself is not an indicator that this is not self harm.

It is harm and it is self inflicted.

And about the societies which enable harm : I'm from a land of tribal marks, fgm and circumcision. Add wrestling and drug use to entertain society dressed up as a masquerade. Self harm is usually self inflicted and celebrated.

It is still harm.

If you hate yourself when you self harm you are actually one step ahead of a lot of people who don't even realise they have a problem.

Celebrate that but don't use it as an excuse for others.

I am just done with people insisting he is sectioned etc. He is happy with what he is doing. He is not distressed due to someone implanting a chip in him, or thinking his limbs are rotting off and need removing. There is a massive difference between self harm and the body mod community. Yes, body mods can be extreme but they know what they are doing, and it hurts no one else.

@Kanaloa I just spent some time on his Instagram profile.

Before he had his fingers chopped off he posted multiple photos of people with two fingers and hints as to it being his next plan.

What has he posted more recently?

A large selection (in a gallery) of mechanical legs.

I'd be £1000 (of my own money) that he plans to have his legs amputated.

Yes, body mods can be extreme but they know what they are doing, and it hurts no one else

If he is unacceptable to care for himself in later life because he only has two fingers or goes for something else that makes life difficult it very much does then become become else's problem doesn't it

Unable

Stupid phone

@Whatwouldscullydo

Yes, body mods can be extreme but they know what they are doing, and it hurts no one else

If he is unacceptable to care for himself in later life because he only has two fingers or goes for something else that makes life difficult it very much does then become become else's problem doesn't it

I know people who have lot more fingers lost then this man has. They would be offended to be called disabled. He had a pinkie and ring finger removed... on one hand.

Ask them.if they would intentionally chop.off their healthy fingers .

No one can help it if they get injured doing sport or work.or whatever.

They can help doing ot to themselves om purpose

Also, it might be pertinent to read up on the origins of the swastika, just in case you find yourself embroiled in an argument where you might not be quite as right as you think you are.

Oh come on, unless you're Hindu, nobody is getting one unless they have some -let's say- questionable views 😂(and I don't think it's common for anyone to have a swastika for traditional reasons either).

@Whatwouldscullydo

Ask them.if they would intentionally chop.off their healthy fingers .

No one can help it if they get injured doing sport or work.or whatever.

They can help doing ot to themselves om purpose

There is a difference between someone wanting their fingers chopped off because they are convinced they are diseased... and someone who just wants to have less fingers.

@secsee No I agree. It was more the black and white way it ways used in their argument, when it isn't technically.

When "body modification" extends to the extreme that you are left disabled, in debt,unemployable, eating and drinking and speech are harder,you tattoo an area knowing it could make you blind and still you are planning more procedures then body modification is nothing more than a cutsie term fir extremely dangerous, harmful and seemingly addictive behaviours which detracts from whT it really is. Self harm. Via a tattooist.

You can think whatever you like, it's still none of your business.

[quote daisyjgrey]@secsee No I agree. It was more the black and white way it ways used in their argument, when it isn't technically. [/quote]
Ah ok, Thank you for clarifying😂

@MoveAhoy

He plans his mods and doesn't hurt himself is not an indicator that this is not self harm.

It is harm and it is self inflicted.

And about the societies which enable harm : I'm from a land of tribal marks, fgm and circumcision. Add wrestling and drug use to entertain society dressed up as a masquerade. Self harm is usually self inflicted and celebrated.

It is still harm.

If you hate yourself when you self harm you are actually one step ahead of a lot of people who don't even realise they have a problem.

Celebrate that but don't use it as an excuse for others.

Wise post, thank you MoveAhoy.

Xeno, I'm so sorry to read your posts. Sending you my best wishes. There are ways through, and I hope you find peace.

As for the man who's amputated his fingers - I think a lot of these types of self-harm (this really is self harm) are a kind of internalised anger. It's not nice to see someone destroy themselves to try to deal with this deep pain that is clearly manifesting in body modifcation. And might be more usefully addressed with support, compassion and treatment.

Everyone deserves to be happy and comfortable in their own skin. In fact, I would say that extreme mods are often a cry for help.

You can think whatever you like, it's still none of your business

Protecting vulnerable people from hark is everyone's business

@Whatwouldscullydo

You can think whatever you like, it's still none of your business

Protecting vulnerable people from hark is everyone's business

He's not vulnerable. He's living his life and he doesn't need your help or protection.

What was the point of this thread, OP? Chance for a load of judgmental pearl clutchers to feign care for a guy who's quite merrily living his life without their input?

@Whatwouldscullydo

You can think whatever you like, it's still none of your business

Protecting vulnerable people from hark is everyone's business

You can not force people to address any sort of self harm.

You can not force people to address any sort of self harm

You can however not enable celebrate or turn a blind eye to it.

What was the point of this thread, OP? Chance for a load of judgmental pearl clutchers to feign care for a guy who's quite merrily living his life without their input?

Very much this.

@Whatwouldscullydo

You can not force people to address any sort of self harm

You can however not enable celebrate or turn a blind eye to it.

He is not hurting you. He is happy with what he is doing. Leave him alone

You know he's happy because?

What point would you say it crosses over ?

Hes looking at legs now isn't he. Would removing a leg be OK or would that enter dodgy territory.

Leave him alone? I don't think anyone is intending to seek this man out.

Noting the 'pearl clutching' slur - strangely often used to shut down women who express opinions on social issues. Ad hom attacks only show up a weak argument.

We're discussing the ethical implications of extreme self harm and whether doctors should enable people to self harm and badly damage or disable themselves.

I'm absolutely stunned it is legal for a surgeon to do this.

@Hetyanni

I'm absolutely stunned it is legal for a surgeon to do this.

No surgeons do it. It is often people in the body mod community.

@Whatwouldscullydo

You know he's happy because?

What point would you say it crosses over ?

Hes looking at legs now isn't he. Would removing a leg be OK or would that enter dodgy territory.

And it hurts other people, how?

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

He is almost certainly making these choices because he is mentally ill. The surgery does not help him; it makes him worse. Operating on him is like agreeing to starve an anorexic, or handing a razor to someone considering suicide: it is being complicit with his self-harm

Absolutely agree!

[quote CommonRoom]@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

He is almost certainly making these choices because he is mentally ill. The surgery does not help him; it makes him worse. Operating on him is like agreeing to starve an anorexic, or handing a razor to someone considering suicide: it is being complicit with his self-harm

Absolutely agree![/quote]
Do you say the same about any one getting lip fillers? Or breast implants? Butt implants? Or breast reductions? Or circumcision? Or any sort or surgery for trans dysphoria?

His mods are not leading to suicide!