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French Man has fingers removed to resemble "alien."

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Mochudubh · 24/11/2021 19:05

Not sure if this is the right place to post this but it popped up on my news feed and I initially thought it would make a lighthearted "Oh look, a man identifying as an alien now" post.

Reading the article it's absolutely horrific. This poor man needs help, not people indulging his delusions. The surgeons involved need struck off, whatever country they're in.

TW - images are disturbing.
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/beauty/cosmetic-surgery/worlds-most-modified-man-chops-off-two-fingers-in-bid-to-become-black-alien/news-story/d84bf65c5d50d598d2bfa7b6d0e76d23.

I'm almost as shocked the paper has this under "Beauty, Cosmetic Surgery"

OP posts:
DonnieDark · 25/11/2021 09:45

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

I'm a self harmer but my doctors don't encourage me by cutting me, they treat me for the underlying mental illness that causes me to want to self harm in the first place.

MarshaBradyo · 25/11/2021 09:47

Exactly! What about "first do no harm?"

I don’t get it either how could you say yes

ArabellaScott · 25/11/2021 09:59

@Kanaloa

I mean he’s disabling himself if nothing else. I know it’s not a ‘severe’ disability but there’s no cause for losing fingers unless you have to.
Is he making himself unemployable? Who is going to look after him? The state does have responsibility to step in at some point and say no, this is a form of extreme self harm and he should be sectioned, and the doctors prosecuted.

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XenoBitch · 25/11/2021 10:50

It is up to him. He is not hurting anyone.

ClawedButler · 25/11/2021 10:57

OK this is just by-the-by, but oh my god look at the ad that popped up in the middle of the article about having legs amputated...

French Man has fingers removed to resemble "alien."
ClawedButler · 25/11/2021 10:59

@Meruem

It is very sad but it seems it’s gone way too far now for him to ever back down from. The large majority of what he’s had done isn’t reversible so he either lives with it or realises he made a mistake, but what good would that do him? He can’t ever go back to “normal” now.

I can’t remember the name of it now, but there was a show on tv a while back, where people with various body “issues” all lived in a house together for a while. There was a man with one leg and it transpired he’d had a healthy leg amputated because he never felt “right” with it. It’s shocking but we can’t know what it’s like to feel that way.

Yes, I saw that TV programme! It had a group of transmen, transwomen, and a couple of others including the very jolly one-legged man.

It's a thorny issue, isn't it - we can't, as a society, encourage people to lop off healthy bits of body to fit some psychologically problematic ideal, yet at the same time can we deny that it makes people happier to have these extreme procedures done?

ArabellaScott · 25/11/2021 11:08

@XenoBitch

It is up to him. He is not hurting anyone.
He's hurting himself.
XenoBitch · 25/11/2021 11:12

He's hurting himself

Still his decision.
I wont deny that he possibly has some sort of body dysmorphia going on here... but he is not hurting other people by doing this.

ClawedButler · 25/11/2021 13:42

If someone cuts their arm up with a razor, should we just leave them to it because it's not hurting anyone else?

Kanaloa · 25/11/2021 13:47

@KittenKong

Aliens don’t exist. If there are other ‘live’ things out there... who knows what they could look like.
How can you say with certainty ‘aliens don’t exist’ then follow it up with ‘if there are other live things out there.’

Those other live things would be aliens, if they existed. I’m not generally a woo/sci fi/abducted by aliens type but you’d have to be staggeringly arrogant to believe that in all the universe and beyond we are the only life form.

KittenKong · 25/11/2021 13:51

‘Aliens’ as in little green men. A tree is alive but it’s not a human/animal - so ‘life’ isn’t just people is it?

Kanaloa · 25/11/2021 13:53

Sentient life forms then. Not necessarily little green men.

But to match your pedantry, a plant life form from another planet would still be alien. Alien just means foreign. So any life form not from earth would be alien to us.

XenoBitch · 25/11/2021 13:55

@ClawedButler

If someone cuts their arm up with a razor, should we just leave them to it because it's not hurting anyone else?
I don't see body modifications in the same category as self harm.
daisyjgrey · 25/11/2021 14:09

His body, his choice. He's not hurting anyone.

He probably thinks your Chinese symbol for soup that you've got tattooed on your left shoulder blade looks shit as well.

daisyjgrey · 25/11/2021 14:11

@ClawedButler

If someone cuts their arm up with a razor, should we just leave them to it because it's not hurting anyone else?
They are not the same thing.

Self harm and piercing your ears aren't the same thing, neither is this. You're overreacting because what he's done is outside of the societal norm. It doesn't make it wrong.

Kanaloa · 25/11/2021 14:19

Piercing your ears is hardly the same as amputation.

Where does it stop? If he wants to blind himself, is that okay? What about if he’d like to be a wheelchair user and cut his legs off?

Some things are outside the societal norm because they’re not healthy behaviours.

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/11/2021 14:29

Self harm and piercing your ears aren't the same thing, neither is this. You're overreacting because what he's done is outside of the societal norm. It doesn't make it wrong

What else do you call removing fingers and parts of your face if not self harm?

daisyjgrey · 25/11/2021 14:55

It's not a difficult thing to understand, 5 minutes on Google would help, but I've done some of the leg work for you to save the bother.

The TLDR answer to "why is this not self harm" etc, is "intention".

Not understanding something is no reason to disregard it as "an abomination to the human race".

Self-harm or self-injury is intentional behaviour that is considered harmful to oneself. This is most commonly regarded as direct injury of one's own skin tissues usually without a suicidal intention. Other terms such as cutting and self-mutilation have been used for any self-harming behavior regardless of suicidal intent. The most common form of self-harm is using a sharp object to cut the skin. Other forms include scratching, hitting, or burning body parts. While earlier usage included interfering with wound healing, excessive skin-picking, hair-pulling, and the ingestion of toxins, current usage distinguishes these behaviors from self-harm. Likewise, tissue damage from drug abuse or eating disorders is not considered self-harm because it is ordinarily an unintended side-effect.

Body modification (or body alteration) is the deliberate altering of the human anatomy or human physical appearance. It is often done for aesthetics, sexual enhancement, rites of passage, religious beliefs, to display group membership or affiliation, in remembrance of lived experience, traditional symbolism such as axis mundi and mythology, to create body art, for shock value, and as self-expression, among other reasons. In its broadest definition it includes skin tattooing, socially acceptable decoration (e.g., common ear piercing in many societies), and religious rites of passage (e.g., circumcision in a number of cultures), as well as the modern primitive movement.

In many ways self-mutilation is very different than body-modification. Body modification gives one the feeling of pride and excitement, giving one something to show off to others.[24] Alternately, those who self-mutilate typically are ashamed of what they've done and want to hide any evidence of harm. Body modification is explored for adornment, self-expression, and an array of many other positive reasons, while self-mutilation is inflicted because of mental or emotional stress and the inability to cope with psychological pain. Those who self-mutilate do so in order to punish themselves, express internal turmoil, and reduce severe anxiety

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/11/2021 15:03

Nope that still doesn't explain how removing fingers which has the consequence of making yourself disabled would come under body modification amd not self harm.

Whatwouldscullydo · 25/11/2021 15:06

Just because someone else does it to them doesn't make it any different.

Suicide by cop is still suicide.

A dr or tattooist removing fingers without a medical need is just a prop in the self harm.

ArabellaScott · 25/11/2021 15:07

In many ways self-mutilation is very different than body-modification

And in other ways it's exactly the same.

Fadette · 25/11/2021 15:13

How is this any different from a man getting his penis amputated because he wants to be a woman? Or a woman getting her breasts cut off so she looks more like a man?

XenoBitch · 25/11/2021 15:21

@Whatwouldscullydo

Nope that still doesn't explain how removing fingers which has the consequence of making yourself disabled would come under body modification amd not self harm.
This man has not had the fingers removed to become disabled. It is an extreme body modification, that falls into the definition described in the excellent post by @daisyjgrey
prettyteapotsplease · 25/11/2021 15:27

It's horrendous, Mochudubh the surgeon should have referred him to a good psychiatrist instead. I daren't look at the pictures as I wouldn't be able to un-see it. The same goes for all those surgeons who perform extreme procedures on patients who have obvious MH problems.

XenoBitch · 25/11/2021 15:29

@ArabellaScott

In many ways self-mutilation is very different than body-modification

And in other ways it's exactly the same.

Self harm needs treatment as is it a symptom of an underlying issue. Body modification is someone wanting to look a certain way, a way to express individuality, or it can be cultural. A PP said this man should be sectioned.... on what grounds? Because he wants to look a certain way? That just happens to be different to our societal and cultural norms.