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Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty?

514 replies

weegiemum · 19/11/2021 18:35

How? He shot 2 people dead in front of witnesses, but apparently it was "self defence"?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/19/kyle-rittenhouse-verdict-kenosha-shooting?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

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MaxNormal · 22/11/2021 06:29

I can't believe that there are so many people here who think he was in the right and this is a media problem. The fact that it was a clear case of self defence overlooks the context

I don't think he was "in the right", I think he was an absolute idiot.
However the key point as you say as that it was a clear case of self-defense. And he did nothing illegal placing himself in that context according to the laws of that state.

J3oo · 22/11/2021 06:33

The firm belief the options are- not be interested in current affairs at all OR look into this in depth (and so presumably all other situations in the same depth globally)... That doesn't make sense. It just doesn't. And I can't believe for a minute that posters who say they do that actually have the same approach to all the things going on all over the world
I look pretty in depth into topics that interest me around the world, I don't look into everything in depth, this was an easy one to get a fairly good look at easily as you can watch the whole trial proceedings on youtube.

MaxNormal · 22/11/2021 06:35

The firm belief the options are- not be interested in current affairs at all OR look into this in depth (and so presumably all other situations in the same depth globally)

I don't look in depth into every single news story globally and I have never claimed to. As I said, I became interested in this case because what came out at the trial was so at odds with my initial impressions when the events occured last year.

CheeseMmmm · 22/11/2021 06:35

Ah it wasn't something that I suspect was seen as high up on their list to look into fully, with the full world events to consider.

How long were court proceedings in total?

CheeseMmmm · 22/11/2021 06:39

Why did you decide to follow it if the info you had already made you feel a certain way?

I mean if look at stuff in UK news and get a general opinion. I don't tend to think well I'll follow the whole trial in case I've been misled.

I mean that's a real interest and a big time sink. Impossible to do for everything that goes to court and is in the news and you read it and think yeah stitch up/ guilty as hell.

FOJN · 22/11/2021 06:45

I can't believe that there are so many people here who think he was in the right and this is a media problem. The fact that it was a clear case of self defence overlooks the context.

I don't think any sane or reasonable person thinks there is anything "right"about the whole situation we are looking at the facts presented at trial and it has highlighted media failings in the accuracy of reporting. There are still some media organisations telling lies despite the facts being available for anyone who wants to looks at them, you either have to be a very poor journalist or pushing an agenda to do that. It was media lies which led to the rioting in Kenosha in the first place; media lies have consequences and we should all care about that.

The context does not alter the law which as you correctly stated makes this a clear case of self defence.

J3oo · 22/11/2021 06:48

6 to 8 hours a day for trial coverage if you watch it at normal speed, I don't know what it was total, you can add it up if you search for the full trial.
I have plenty of time to kill, disabled and only do gig economy work so if no work available have hours, days or weeks where I might have nothing to do, hence going down random news holes sometimes!
I think he's not guilty on the basis of self defence, I also think he's not a great person. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive and I think the problem all stems from bonkers gun laws where open carry is fine and dandy.

FOJN · 22/11/2021 06:50

I mean if look at stuff in UK news and get a general opinion. I don't tend to think well I'll follow the whole trial in case I've been misled.

Are you really struggling to understand other people are not the same as you? You keep popping up on a thread to talk about how "odd" posters are for having taken an interest without actually contributing anything to the relevant to the subject of the thread. I think that's very peculiar.

MaxNormal · 22/11/2021 06:56

I mean if look at stuff in UK news and get a general opinion. I don't tend to think well I'll follow the whole trial in case I've been misled

Summaries are available. Fortunately one does not need to watch the entire thing, as you say most would not have time for that.

Your not very subtle sleuthing attempts are quite funny though.

LondonWolf · 22/11/2021 06:57

I hardly watched any of the trial - listened to long form podcast summaries from legal experts and pundits mainly as I could do that at the same time as the other million things I have to do daily.

Are you really struggling to understand other people are not the same as you? You keep popping up on a thread to talk about how "odd" posters are for having taken an interest without actually contributing anything to the relevant to the subject of the thread. I think that's very peculiar.

Isn’t it? Almost as if that person is trying to make some kind of implication…what could it be? 🤔

MaxNormal · 22/11/2021 06:59

I don't see another thead about it but there's been an absolutely awful fatal incident in Wisconsin where an SUV has been driven into a parade:
Link

I really hope it's not related to the trial outcome.

J3oo · 22/11/2021 07:03

That's awful and already some fatalities Sad I hope those in hospital recover quickly

LondonWolf · 22/11/2021 07:06

How dreadful. These attacks using vehicles are terrifying. Most people have easy access to a vehicle and if of such a mindset can use them to cause such massive damage. Almost as bad as a bomb in being able to maximise harm Sad

FOJN · 22/11/2021 07:08

I hope it's not related to the trial outcome. The people of Kenosha have been through enough in the last 15 months.

My thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones and those recovering in hospital.

FOJN · 22/11/2021 07:12

Sorry skim reading.. Waukesha.

CheeseMmmm · 22/11/2021 07:34

@FOJN

I mean if look at stuff in UK news and get a general opinion. I don't tend to think well I'll follow the whole trial in case I've been misled.

Are you really struggling to understand other people are not the same as you? You keep popping up on a thread to talk about how "odd" posters are for having taken an interest without actually contributing anything to the relevant to the subject of the thread. I think that's very peculiar.

Some PPs have said that have no particular interest any more than other things in the news. But anyone with a general interest in global news would naturally have followed USA news outlets and the trail closely as a matter of course and that it's the same level of interest for other news across the world.

That's what I'm in all honesty finding hard to believe. There just aren't enough hours in the day to give this much time to multiple global events.

CheeseMmmm · 22/11/2021 07:39

Also the consensus that if you have not followed the trial, read multiple USA news etc then you should not be commenting.

Yes this is a very unusual thread. Nearly 100 % consensus. Loads posting long long comments with a very high level of detail.

The side track into anti vaxx was interesting as well. And the suggestion that UK news sources are only covering this to detract attention from Maxwell. And that they very biased towards her. Definitely interesting.

LondonWolf · 22/11/2021 07:48

Yes this is a very unusual thread. Nearly 100 % consensus. Loads posting long long comments with a very high level of detail

Hmm, what do you think is going on here then?

FOJN · 22/11/2021 07:59

Also the consensus that if you have not followed the trial, read multiple USA news etc then you should not be commenting.

This is not true. Anyone is free to comment but expect those who watched the trial the challenge your comments if you post things which are inaccurate.

You are still commenting on posters interest in the case rather than the subject of the thread. Why?

BelleHathor · 22/11/2021 08:03

Wow! Some people have the ability to find and read Jury Instructions, legal statutes, watch video evidence and evaluate the facts rationally. How dare they listen to legal experts and come to a different conclusion. They must be up to something..... 😆.

On a serious note, the shooting of Jacob Blake by the police that sparked the whole Kenosha riots is another example of the MSM conveniently leaving out facts that do not suit their narrative. JB's ex-girlfriend had a restraining order against him after he had let himself into her house at night and sexually assaulted her. A Black woman who no one talks about or acknowledges what she went through.

FOJN · 22/11/2021 08:23

On a serious note, the shooting of Jacob Blake by the police that sparked the whole Kenosha riots is another example of the MSM conveniently leaving out facts that do not suit their narrative. JB's ex-girlfriend had a restraining order against him after he had let himself into her house at night and sexually assaulted her. A Black woman who no one talks about or acknowledges what she went through.

You're not going to mention the outstanding warrant for his arrest, the resisting arrest, him being armed with a knife and opening the driver's door to a car with the keys in the ignition and children in the back that weren't his are you? Or the fact that it was all caught on neighbours CCTV. That would just make you weird.

BelleHathor · 22/11/2021 09:27

100% Weird FOJN also perplexed and angry that it's always women (often women of colour too) who have to keep quiet or are conveniently left out in order to protect the narrative.

LondonWolf · 22/11/2021 09:34

@BelleHathor

Interesting point, which reminds of this study/report. Never heard of any of these women. Not one. No riots, no Vice Presidents expressing their pride in these women and trans women.

static1.squarespace.com/static/53f20d90e4b0b80451158d8c/t/560c068ee4b0af26f72741df/1443628686535/AAPF_SMN_Brief_Full_singles-min.pdf

Guess I’m totes weird/odd for knowing about and feeling sadness and concern over the inequalities demonstrated here?

trancepants · 22/11/2021 10:04

@MaxNormal

I don't see another thead about it but there's been an absolutely awful fatal incident in Wisconsin where an SUV has been driven into a parade: Link

I really hope it's not related to the trial outcome.

It's being reported that the driver who has been arrested, Darrell Brooks Jr, had posted on social media about the not guilty verdict. So there is certainly increasing speculation that it may have been related. Of course the alleged driver could have had some other 'motivation' for allegedly doing it and the Rittenhouse verdict may just have been something that he was coincidently unhappy about.

Either way it was an absolutely horrific incident. But if there does appear to be any link, it's so, so far beyond time that the mainstream media and political organisations are held accountable for the role they have played in so many incidents like this. It's beyond time that this game playing and spreading of targeted misinformation stops. Lives are absolutely being ruined by this.

twelly · 22/11/2021 10:10

I think we need to respect the decision of the court - we didn't sit through the evidence and the jury did, they will have deliberated and discussed. Often I have thought that decisions in many courts seem on the surface rather odd - guilty and not guilty but as in this case I wasn't there.

The decision will have been based not the evidence and facts presented not on public opinion and that is how courts should make decision. I feel strongly that Jo Biden should not have commented publicly - his role is to support the decisions made by the courts and he wasn't there.

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