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DC feels aggrieved because school friends have ‘more’

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Foolsrule · 12/11/2021 09:03

A bit of a strange one. We live in a nice house in a nice area. DC attend a school with a mixed catchment and have friends from a range of backgrounds. Eldest DC is under the impression that we are poor as we don’t have a huge wide screen TV, she doesn’t have her own phone and I send her to school swimming with a plain John Lewis towel as opposed to a branded/themed Disney one. She seems envious of her friends who seem to have a lot of ‘stuff’ on a daily basis, but don’t have the holidays, the range of out of school activities etc. and opportunities she has. I have explained that different families do things differently, we place value on different things but neither way is right or wrong, and she still seems to feel hard done by. Some of it might be about fitting in? Any ideas, anyone?

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Siepie · 12/11/2021 20:08

@Saltyquiche

There seems to be a lot of negativity about any alternative culture but it’s quite admirable when children choose to be interested in the environment, recycling and helping others who are more vulnerable.
I'm really not sure buying John Lewis towels counts as "alternative culture" Hmm
CatsArePeople · 12/11/2021 20:40

Perhaps your parents couldn’t afford them? Parents aren’t necessarily doing it to torture their offspring.

By 11 kids are pretty much aware what their family can and cannot afford. If parents begrudge little things that would bring joy for no good reason - the lesson the child learns will not be a positive one.

NerrSnerr · 12/11/2021 21:24

By 11 kids are pretty much aware what their family can and cannot afford. If parents begrudge little things that would bring joy for no good reason - the lesson the child learns will not be a positive one.

I agree with this. I didn't want my mum to spend more than she can afford on me but if she was going to spend £15 on a school bag I would have liked to have had some input on what bag I had- be able to express my likes, not her likes (of course it would have had to be practical which is fine).

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LolaSmiles · 12/11/2021 22:28

There seems to be a lot of negativity about any alternative culture but it’s quite admirable when children choose to be interested in the environment, recycling and helping others who are more vulnerable
None of that is particularly alternative though, in fact it's quite common in my students, who have different personalities, a range of dress senses, range of hobbies, range of interests, and range of backgrounds.

Very few people are cookie cutter people. Most people have a range of interests and topics they care about and will dress in a way that they like.

The problem isn't alternative culture, it's that too often the people blabbering on about how alternative they are really aren't that different from thousands of other human beings. They just enjoy making a fuss about how they're so different.

LittleOverWhelmed · 12/11/2021 22:33

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HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 13/11/2021 06:34

I agree that some children wasn’t to to fit in, others need it less because they fit in sufficiently. It is hard to be a child. There seem to be so many “friendship issues” (that is what our schools call them) so early on.

I also think that children do understand what you can and cannot afford quite early on. Our youngest is 7 and she certainly does.

I am trying to raise our children to be confident and happy. Two of them excels in sport (I have taken them to trading whenever I can) and plays for the school, one isn’t interested and that is fine as well.

I also try to let my children choose their friends. That sounds obvious but I am actually quite shy. It was a nightmare to cold call the parents of the children they wanted to play with in the beginning. Many times I had nothing in common with those people (often way too fashionable and posh) I am just getting used to it.

I also try to make sure they have fun on play dates at our house (offer crafts, games, baking) and luckily they always seem to have a good time. But it is very hard to miss that some children are richer. We live in a small flat. Most of their friends live in quite big houses. One has a swimming pool and a driver (!). I wish I wasn’t serious.

We let the children have an input when we can (choice of mainly primark clothes, choice of shoes). But we have a budget. As I said before, if they want something small badly that we can afford, they have to “work” for it with music practice, homework etc.

I have to say, all our children are talking about getting good jobs though. The youngest is only 7 and she wants to make lots of money. I tell them to work hard in school.

KatherineJaneway · 13/11/2021 08:54

By 11 kids are pretty much aware what their family can and cannot afford.

Maybe but they will also be aware of what their parents choose to spend money on and what they deem not important, that is where you can differ.

Ineedaduvetday · 13/11/2021 08:55

At school you always knew the richer kids as they had the real branded items and the poorer kids all has the market knock offs.

EnidFrighten · 13/11/2021 08:57

Teach her about capitalism and how companies make us thing we'll be happier of we have more/nicer stuff but it's not true.

NatriumChloride · 13/11/2021 08:58

Omg THIS!! Haven’t RTFT but you sound like a snob!

MeredithGreyishblue · 13/11/2021 09:01

There seems to be a lot of negativity about any alternative culture but it’s quite admirable when children choose to be interested in the environment, recycling and helping others who are more vulnerable.
1 - the child hasn't chosen anything!
2 - alternative cultures aren't cool or even genuine when your mum picks it for you
3 - I didn't realise John Lewis classed as alternative 😳

coodawoodashooda · 13/11/2021 09:07

@Branleuse

Id get her a fancy towel if it made her feel more like she fitted in with her friends
I'd do that too.
MargosKaftan · 13/11/2021 09:18

This isn't about capitalism as such, it is the op being snobbish and thinking her 10/11 year old should share her tastes. A John Lewis towel is expensive- the OP is happy to spend a lot of money on things she feels are worth it, and is annoyed her DD thinks things she considers "lesser" are better. This thread is full of adults who didn't grow up to appreciate their parents point of view.

She had a large budget to spend on her dc, just only on things she feels have value, not her child.

CatsArePeople · 13/11/2021 09:19

I am not so sure, my 11 year old still thinks his first car will be a BMW…

Nothing wrong with having a dream. Make it your goal, work/save for it - and why not.

CatsArePeople · 13/11/2021 09:25

This thread is full of adults who didn't grow up to appreciate their parents point of view.

The OP made it look like she's a joyless snob. A lot of adults can resonate with growing up under parents like that.

5128gap · 13/11/2021 10:00

@MargosKaftan

This isn't about capitalism as such, it is the op being snobbish and thinking her 10/11 year old should share her tastes. A John Lewis towel is expensive- the OP is happy to spend a lot of money on things she feels are worth it, and is annoyed her DD thinks things she considers "lesser" are better. This thread is full of adults who didn't grow up to appreciate their parents point of view.

She had a large budget to spend on her dc, just only on things she feels have value, not her child.

The thread is imo just a humble brag. The OP has deliberately chosen possessions/ lifestyle choices that stereotypically indicate social class. Her family: JL towel, cultural experiences in other countries, limited TV. Other kids: Huge TV (stereotypical WC) phone at young age, Disney branding, no access to culture (not even been to London!!) I doubt she has the slightest concern that her DD doesn't have what the other kids have, because to OP that just demonstrates she's getting it right, and isn't like all the common people. It probably stung a bit that the DD thinks they're poor though.
gospelsinger · 13/11/2021 10:55

I'm surprised no one has thought to ask op to check in with dd about how her classmates are making her feel. It is possible she is being teased and bullied. Why is it important to her that her mum has the latest phone? I understand about wanting a tv ,that's normal child materialism. But for her to be invested in what phone her mum has??
It's worth gently finding out if this is going on.

TatianaBis · 13/11/2021 11:10

@5128gap

That’s right this thread was created with the sole intention of making you feel small. Confused

PreparationPreparationPrep · 13/11/2021 11:16

@5128gap "The thread is imo just a humble brag. The OP has deliberately chosen possessions/ lifestyle choices that stereotypically indicate social class.
Her family: JL towel, cultural experiences in other countries, limited TV.
Other kids: Huge TV (stereotypical WC) phone at young age, Disney branding, no access to culture (not even been to London!!)
I doubt she has the slightest concern that her DD doesn't have what the other kids have, because to OP that just demonstrates she's getting it right, and isn't like all the common people.
It probably stung a bit that the DD thinks they're poor though."

My thoughts exactly when I read the OP.

MultiStorey · 13/11/2021 12:53

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pastypirate · 13/11/2021 12:54

@MsTSwift

Yes if a child mirrors their parents it’s not really standing out it’s being abit late cutting the apron strings.

The mum on About a Boy encapsulates this!

I winced when I watched About A Boy. Far too close to home! Especially the bit when he's given a cd when he has no CD player and he recites the practised 'but it's great anyway!' Thank you speech. I felt every word of that.
PreparationPreparationPrep · 13/11/2021 13:36

I agree with the point about - if you are going to spend money then at some point the child's likes have to come in. I remember for school my parents would only buy us the equivalent of Clark's school Shoes - and we could also have a pair from the more fashionable shop for wearing out of school. by the time I was settled in secondary school I didn't want to wear the sturdy Clarke's type to school only my what I thought were fashionable shoes. I was given the option that if I chose the fashionable pair I would only have one pair and would have to wear them in and out of school . Rather than a pair "Clarke's and a pair of - I just remembered Freeman Hardy Willis! I chose to have one pair of FHW.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 13/11/2021 13:40

@MultiStorey So what though?

Are you asking so what if OP is a humble brag
Or so what if I agree with @5128gap post?

31flavours · 13/11/2021 17:42

I’m going to be a hard arse here but if it was my kid I would tell them that about my impoverished back ground, lack of toys, that I never asked for a gift on my birthday more than £10 and often asked for nothing and that they should be grateful for the life I work so hard to give them… but that’s me.

What you should , buy the towel. It’s not something to get pious about.

Mirw · 13/11/2021 17:56

I was happy to gave the plain towel etc at school... My brothers were not. Dad's reply was"when you he have the money to buy what you want, you can have what you want. Until then be grateful for what you are given". All 3 have passed that on to their children. Must have hit a nerve!!