David Fuller conviction - utterly shocking

[Garriet]

I know there seems to be a news story every day about VAWG and it’s endemic and appalling, but I just read this story and literally exclaimed aloud. It’s horrific. I had no idea this was even being prosecuted.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-59167648

Imagine being on the jury. Those poor women and girls, and their families. I’m shocked to the core by this, so disgusting.

People like this- where the evidence is overwhelming and the crime so horrific - I could condone the death penalty (I know people disagree and that’s fine, but in my opinion, he’s a waste of air, he will never be rehabilitated, he will always be a danger, he will always get kicks from somewhere).

Those poor families.

When people criticise others for exaggerating and being paranoid that there are paedos and nonces on every corner, I always think, no - there ARE perverts everywhere. Absolutely everywhere. Millions of images out there on the web of absolute depravity. So many men. It makes me want to take my daughter and go and live in the wilderness.

@GenderApostatemk2

How much of that sick fucker’s ‘hobby’ is floating about on the internet, shared by countless other depraved perverts? I can’t imagine how those families even begin to process this. Then you have Men like Jane Fucking Fae, campaigning for extreme porn to be legal and teaching men how to ‘hide the evidence’.

Agree. Fae gives me the horrors , deeply creepy person.

Yes, and that's why pronouns are not a matter of politeness or #BeKind or 'What does it cost you to use someone's preferred pronouns, anyway?' Fae gets to advocate for extreme pornography 'as a woman.' No, men don't get to masquerade as us and then put words in our mouths.

It's really creepy isn't it.

If someone wore a costume of a creature, and then advocated watching that creature get forcibly fucked in the most awful ways on screen, I'm pretty sure they'd be labelled a creepy pervert for life by most people.

But in a hypothetical instance - a male can dress up like a woman, watch systematic abuse of them on a screen, advocate for it in public - and the only acceptable web response on Twitter is praise and acceptance.

Ironically in this way, women are dehumanised more than most animals around us would be.

Even in Death they weren't safe.
Very scary that he was at liberty for so long, and in a perverse way very lucky that he stopped the murder part of his prolific offending.

How long before we just assume any and every access to women will be under siege from some sexual deviant?

He’s only going to get 2/3 years max and he will be out.

Unless he gets more time for the murders.

Yes still some people don't believe in the death penalty. Even for such a creature as this...

@EishetChayil

When people criticise others for exaggerating and being paranoid that there are paedos and nonces on every corner, I always think, no - there ARE perverts everywhere. Absolutely everywhere. Millions of images out there on the web of absolute depravity. So many men. It makes me want to take my daughter and go and live in the wilderness.

I agree. I used to be a social worker. It's the tip of the iceberg. The stuff we don't know terrifies me more these days. What is the real extent of it and what percentage of men are involved? Despite loving and trusting the men in my life & my teen boys, I honestly just want to live in a world of women when I hear stories like this. I fear for all the young women and girls out there, including my nieces - what the fuck lies ahead for them? It's getting worse every year Sorry, I know it sounds so negative but I think I've given up hope.

I hadn't heard of this case until there was a Tory on radio 4 this morning, he was saying there needed to be a public enquiry because it could happen anywhere and then said something about "depraved people".

Men. It's male depravity. This is not a female crime.

I think it is time to campaign for a DNA database of all men in the UK.

Even in death, women and girls are assaulted.

MrsTandme - the audience comment doesn't mean you have us agog at your every word......It means read the room. Some of the brightest minds you could ever possibly wish for are on mumsnet and are perfectly capable of following what you say......just so long as you are clear in your meaning, which you should be more than capable of as a psychiatrist.

@Naaaaah

MrsTandme - the audience comment doesn't mean you have us agog at your every word......It means read the room. Some of the brightest minds you could ever possibly wish for are on mumsnet and are perfectly capable of following what you say......just so long as you are clear in your meaning, which you should be more than capable of as a psychiatrist.

A Psychiatrist? Where did I say that, I didn't. I have been on Mumsnet for years so I'm aware of the people on it. Thanks for your explanation of the audience though

@JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff

What makes me furious is that on MN, supposedly a place for women in the main, if women say they don't want male MWs/drs etc there is a vocal contingent who will try to shut them down and shame them. These are healthcare professionals we are told - they wouldn't do that.

Except for the repeated evidence that some men who work with patients do.

Now this man wasn't a HCP so I guess my point is indirectly related.

But he worked in a hospital. He had videos of 99 women aged 9-100. Those are only the ones he took images of, of course.

So why didn't anyone notice? From the 1980s to 2020, why did none of his colleagues see anything? Why did the pathologists who in some cases must have examined those bodies not see?

Women are never safe, not in the hospital, not even in the fucking mortuary.

Here's some more evidence for you https://news.sky.com/story/paramedic-who-raped-patient-in-her-own-home-and-sexually-assaulted-another-in-his-ambulance-is-jailed-for-21-years-12216142

The police who prosecuted it said Wheeler had trained as a paramedic precisely to gain access to vulnerable women.

And yet were told "no one would ever go to x lengths to pretend to be something they're not to perpetrate abuse" when that's PReCISELY what they do. That US gymnastics physio who abused hundreds of girls in front of their parents did the same.

You've forgotten the "what about my son" lot - you know, "all this suspicion of men is so unfair, I worry so much about my little boy when he's older, what if he offers a handshake and is accused of molestation by some terrible tramp" etc etc.

To say its sickening and horrific doesn't even come within a billion miles close to covering it. He's committed necrophilia on 100 corpses. Necraphilia carries a sentence of 2 years. He's murdered those 2 young women back in 1987. (A life sentence here is what 15 years). There's also the charge of possesing indecent images Therefore he should get at the very least 230 years (well LWOP).
Also Google Nigel Robinson Wright. (an undertaker in Blackpool). He's another one I have no words for. It makes you think where else is this going on. Surely its time to have CCTV is Mortuaries and Funeral homes/parlours.

@MissMinutes24 I was saying this to DH. He deliberately hadn’t read the story on bbc news because it looked so horrific but it came up on the news on tv. He said he didn’t understand how he got away with it for so long. This evil bastard was so intent on doing it that he had covered all bases to avoid detection - shift patterns, mortuary procedure so the victims he assaulted wouldn’t have been examined again, CCTV coverage etc. And it’s such an unthinkable thing to happen, who would suspect that it could? If you’ve got a (by some accounts) kind, gentle electrician offering to do the late shifts in the morgue. Nothing to make you suspect anything untoward. And like PPs have said, the NHS just doesn’t have the money or resources to put extra resources in to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Whether they will now, who knows?
It’s depressing isn’t it?

@Awwlookatmybabyspider I agree, however if someone is totally intent on avoiding detection, surely they could still get away with it? I’m a teacher and during safeguarding training we always look at the case of the deputy headteacher sexually abusing children in the book corner of an open classroom because he knew how to get away with it. And these people are usually so manipulative that they fool the majority of people into thinking they’re good, upstanding people.
We are taught as teachers that much of the solution lies with all of us having a social responsibility to raise concerns and ask questions if something doesn’t seem right, as well as stricter measures being put in place to ensure people’s safety. Including, in this case, the deceased.

God, the more I think about it, the more upsetting it becomes. Evil, evil man.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

I hadn't heard of this case until there was a Tory on radio 4 this morning, he was saying there needed to be a public enquiry because it could happen anywhere and then said something about "depraved people".

Men. It's male depravity. This is not a female crime.

Yes.

This case is disgusting. But I used to work in a hospital setting and there was a particular Porter who had gone and checked the bodies in the mortuary looking for a missing friend. He was suspended and then was allowed back to work again. So I wasn’t surprised david fuller had access to the mortuary and the bodies. Hospital security isn’t that secure, and any cctv is only at entrances, this is due to patient confidentiality.

When I was told the story about the porter I checked the hospital’s reports and cqc data about its mortuary and it was abysmal. In one section it was stated the transport of bodies from ward to mortuary needed to be reviewed. We as a family spent a lot of time in the geriatric wards due to ill family member and my brother saw porters pushing a trolley with a dead body to one another like it was a game. No respect or dignity after death.

I feel so badly for the relatives of the victims. I wouldn’t want to know if this had happened to a relative of mine.

Savile was a necro too. He used to boast about oral sex on corpses. There’s nothing more vile than desecrating a body in this way.

The depravity that some men enjoy is too frightening at times to think about it’s so sickening

A number of serial killers have abused their victims when dead their sexual and violent desires just seem to hold no bounds these men are so dangerous but so many just go under the radar

Ffs women too yes there are so many women sexually abusing and murdering children and women. Our prisons are full of them, hundreds of books written about them, documentaries, films and podcasts made about them but oh wait no there isn’t because the perpetrators of such violent sexual crimes are men (and in very very few cases women are involved)

When are we females safe from such men we are not ever not from birth, to being at our most vulnerable to old age to when we no longer are alive

Let’s just talk about male violence it needs to be talked about

There was the recent case of the male midwife who was found with extreme child abuse images.
JFC. And the hospital made me feel like a hysterical pain in the arse when I refused to be allocated a male midwife. I won’t have a male doctor or dentist either and every year that goes by the more sure I am of that.

But you can’t talk about “men” you can’t call these male crimes because they take it personally. My workplace has “gender equality champions” who talk about “gender based violence” and “let’s be inclusive to men”. If you say these type of things are male crimes They say “that’s sexist, you can’t generalise. Women do it too”
Except we don’t. We really DON’T watch extreme porn or molest toddlers or rape corpses, not in any numbers that mean anything.
I am bringing up young men, I pray every day they will be good ones, but who knows. It’s horrifying and depressing and who knows what we can do? Regulate the internet for a start maybe. How come in the 80s hardcore porn was illegal , as in you couldn’t even show an erect penis, penetration, nothing, but now it’s just allowed because for some reason the internet must not be controlled? I don’t get it. The filth that spews into men’s brains has to have an effect, maybe not in this case but generally, if boys are watching extreme porn from age 12 how can it not make things worse?