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David Fuller conviction - utterly shocking

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Garriet · 04/11/2021 18:47

I know there seems to be a news story every day about VAWG and it’s endemic and appalling, but I just read this story and literally exclaimed aloud. It’s horrific. I had no idea this was even being prosecuted.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-59167648

Imagine being on the jury. Those poor women and girls, and their families. I’m shocked to the core by this, so disgusting.

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twilightermummy · 04/11/2021 22:46

**MintJulia

I'm struggling with how so many men can be so fking sick.

Me too. I’ve been thinking exactly this almost on a daily basis lately.

Notanum · 04/11/2021 22:57

Truly one of the most grotesque and disgusting men I’ve ever heard about. What he has done to the poor victims and grieving families is shocking but he won’t really be punished. I’m against the death penalty but jail is not enough for these crimes. I don’t know what is though.

StucklnAMuumuuCantGetOutOflt · 04/11/2021 23:03

Christ. I wouldn't want to know.
Subhuman. Inhuman.
The only solace I would take is my belief that when you are dead, you are dead, thank God and cremation burns away that monster's touch. And that your soul has already left your body.
But I wouldn't want the police to tell me tbh.

Claudethecat · 04/11/2021 23:09

I can hardly believe this is real. How could he get away with it for so long?

@AnyFucker is right. Women are never safe, however young we are, however old we are, however dead we are.

PermanentTemporary · 04/11/2021 23:11

I do know three people who died at one of those hospitals, two of them female. I hope I never know.

Babyroobs · 05/11/2021 00:05

They will need to have padlocks on the fridge doors from now on. It may not stop this happening again but would severely reduce the number of people with access to deceased. It's truly shocking. I can't believe he could have done this so many times and no-one suspected anything.

balonsz · 05/11/2021 00:12

It makes my so angry & sad. Women aren't safe even when dead.

Changechangychange · 05/11/2021 00:23

@Babyroobs

They will need to have padlocks on the fridge doors from now on. It may not stop this happening again but would severely reduce the number of people with access to deceased. It's truly shocking. I can't believe he could have done this so many times and no-one suspected anything.
I genuinely can’t see how he got in - it’s all swipecard access these days, you can’t just walk in. I know it said he was electrical maintenance but surely that doesn’t give you free run of the entire hospital?
Babyroobs · 05/11/2021 00:34

I'm guessing if he was an electrician maybe he had to do checks and things on the fridges, to make sure they were functioning properly so would have to have access at all times in case there were problems. I hope from now on they can increase security. I used to work in a healthcare setting that had it's own small mortuary ( 8 spaces ), there was a code on the door in recent years but only for the past few years. A patient went missing one nightshift and was found in the mortuary. I think security was stepped up after this. prior to that anyway could have just walked in although it was in a restricted part of the building. Moving forward it might be easier to improve security in bigger hospitals but many funeral parlours are just small independent businesses.

amsadandconfused · 05/11/2021 00:34

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immersivereader · 05/11/2021 00:42

amsadandconfused

^^
Flowers holding hand

How stressful for you, absolutely awful.

Calamityhuman · 05/11/2021 00:49

It’s absolutely disgusting. Apparently he had access as part of his role was to check the temperatures on the fridges. On the news it said other staff finished at 4 and he worked til 7 (or something like that) so he may have had several hours on his own everyday. They had CCTV but it didn’t cover the whole area and they only looked at it if a problem was reported.

YodaiamsaidI · 05/11/2021 01:02

In obviously flashes going to be punished for his crimes but I do wish the police hadn't had to inform the families of the sexual assault victims,they'd already suffered enough,what good will ever come from learning this happened Sad

YodaiamsaidI · 05/11/2021 01:02

Glad not flashes

Cattenberg · 05/11/2021 01:05

I wish he could have been put in trial without his crimes at the hospital being made public. I wish the families had never been told. What are they supposed to do with this information, other than dwell on it and suffer more pain? I wouldn’t want to know.

Babyroobs · 05/11/2021 01:11

@Cattenberg

I wish he could have been put in trial without his crimes at the hospital being made public. I wish the families had never been told. What are they supposed to do with this information, other than dwell on it and suffer more pain? I wouldn’t want to know.
Just read one of the accounts form a family member. Her poor daughter had already suffered a tragic death falling from a bridge, then abused by this monster after death. So much much pain after what they had already been through. I don't know how relatives get through this kind of pain.
NiceGerbil · 05/11/2021 01:16

I really don't think it's ok for the news to report what he did to the named women in the photos. What purpose does it serve. For the family and those who knew her. Why does that need to be there. It adds nothing.

He worked in hosp. Had access to morgue. Where else? Loads of vulnerable women girls in hosp.

And I REALLY want to know how many reports the police had etc of other offences. He's only pled guilty for the stuff where he can't say wasn't him. What else could he have done? These burglaries. The police in 70s called. Some? All? Reports as creeper style. So they had a fair number of reports and linked them. Were opportunities missed? Was it just filed?

How many other things has he done? I would put money on lots.

islandbeach · 05/11/2021 01:24

Yeah I’ve wondered this. And due to the nature of the crimes I find it hard to believe there were ‘only’ two murders way back in 1987. Although I’m no expert, if he had the impulses twice back then without being caught then I’m not sure how he didn’t do it again.

NiceGerbil · 05/11/2021 01:35

This is a piece missing for me which I started wondering a few years ago and it's got more insistent in my head.

What is never reported/ mentioned/ anything. Even a hint of a thought of it. Is.

-other victims?
-police link reports from the past?
-police look for other victims in reports they have

In ye olden days yeah huge task.

It's got to be computerised now. Surely the 3 points above are just obvious necessities?

From reporting it always seems. Yep got him for this that. Job done case closed.

What happened about the 30 burglaries?

Why did the police describe them as creeper style?

Etc etc and so on.

These men are PROLIFIC. hugely so.
So... How about checking into this stuff?

NiceGerbil · 05/11/2021 01:37

Also what about unconscious patients in hosp? Those with dementia/ severe MH. Serious disabilities.

He must have had loads of time in the morgue and felt confident would not be interrupted. What about that? How? Anyone protecting him? Etc etc etc.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 05/11/2021 01:51

amazing that his dna was found, a fluke

NiceGerbil · 05/11/2021 02:03

'Investigators said the case came together following recent advances in DNA testing - and a huge police operation costing £2.5m - which linked Fuller to the double killings, dubbed "the Bedsit Murders".

His saliva and other DNA was found on Ms Knell's bedding, towel and intimate samples.

His semen was also found on Ms Pierce's tights, the only item of clothing she was wearing when her body was found in a water-filled dyke three weeks after her abduction.'

That's not a fluke surely?

How and why did they have his DNA profile on file though. Must be previous arrest? What for? Etc.

So many questions.

Tarne · 05/11/2021 02:13

There were plenty of reports that Jimmy Savile was a necrophile, he even boasted about it and took the glass eye from a victim as a souvenir however the police have not investigated this have they?

This is the tip of the iceberg I believe. I am in no doubt this kind of thing has been going on for years as access to morgues and other places where females are incapacitated presents an opportunistic male with unlimited potential for
this level of depravity.

Priests, doctors, sports coaches, taxi drivers, music teachers, soldiers, policemen, builders, gardeners, funeral directors and now electricians.

I don't know why there isn't more furore about the fact 2 women a week are murdered by men they know every week which doesn't even make the national news.

Over the years men have largely controlled the news and what gets reported and that is the truly scandalous fact.

Women are only just waking up to the extent of utter male depravity.

Hard porn is enjoyed by mostly men with women being mostly the victims.

I think women are naiive to the actual scale of depravity in the average male psyche.

The scale of child abuse was not even comprehensible even a few years ago, it was hardly ever talked about.

It leads to the conclusion that Male depravity is not as unusual as we might have thought.

NiceGerbil · 05/11/2021 02:19

Where did you hear that about saville? It's not something I've heard before.

CallMeRisley · 05/11/2021 02:24

@NiceGerbil

'Investigators said the case came together following recent advances in DNA testing - and a huge police operation costing £2.5m - which linked Fuller to the double killings, dubbed "the Bedsit Murders".

His saliva and other DNA was found on Ms Knell's bedding, towel and intimate samples.

His semen was also found on Ms Pierce's tights, the only item of clothing she was wearing when her body was found in a water-filled dyke three weeks after her abduction.'

That's not a fluke surely?

How and why did they have his DNA profile on file though. Must be previous arrest? What for? Etc.

So many questions.

At the time of the murders, DNA profiling was in its infancy. The DNA at the time and for a long time afterwards was never a match for anyone in the National database (ie no one who had ever been arrested). The fluke that the PP refers to is that David Fuller’s brother took part in some kind of DNA recording trial of 1000 people, and his DNA was found to be a partial match to that held in file for the murders which then led to Fuller.

Time for a National DNA database for everyone, not just those arrested?

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