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I said it would happen, it happened, now what?

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Blahblahnobodylistens · 22/10/2021 10:30

I wasn't really sure where to put this as it could cover a few areas but I'm need to ask for advice regarding 10 year old and school. This is quite lengthy as there is a bit of history which is important.

But of backstory...ds goes to a small school, each class is 2 years in one with approx 28 students per class. He is in year 5 and has had many issues with another student who is now in year 6. Last year was not an issue because they were in separate classes and all the restrictions meant they rarely crossed paths however, the year before was absolutely horrendous with tears most days due to behaviour from the other child. This behaviour included making up stories that ds had hit them and hurt them. ds was taken into the HM office on more than one occasion due to this but ds always maintained his innocence and became very upset each time. This came to an abrupt end when this child threw themselves on the floor screaming as they lined up in the playground at the start of the day, stating ds had punched her in the face. Thankfully several parents and another teacher saw what had happened and as ds was being marched to the HM office they came to his rescue and told them it was fabricated. They would also goad ds, whispering awful things to him about how he was ugly, fat (definitely not as he competes in a sport that he is regional champ in), everyone hates him etc etc and following him despite ds begging them to leave him alone and trying to walk away. That year I lost countless hours talking to his teachers, begging them to monitor the situation before he loses his shit and reacts in the way I guess she's hoping he will so he gets into serious trouble. Just to add, all of these things were always done away from the teachers, out of earshot and slyly. When this school year started, I requested a meeting with his new teacher so she was aware of the history, only because ds had huge anxiety about being back in a class with this child. She never replied, has ignored me via several channels of communication 😒

2 weeks ago this child started all old behaviours again and followed ds around the playground venting awful stuff. Ds did exactly what we have been instilling in him to do, ask her to leave him alone and go tell a teacher what is happening. He did this...and was told to stop telling tales. The 2 children ended up having a big row in the playground because they just would not leave him alone, they had a scuffle and ds got into trouble. I was so pissed off that ds had done everything we had been reinforcing him was the right thing to do yet was the one to get into trouble because he was effectively failed. I went in the next morning and had a very long chat with the TA (as the teacher wasn't available) and made it very clear that his treatment was actually very unfair when he was the one that was being goaded and was basically told to fuck off when he tried to put an end to it.

Anyway, onto yesterday...I get hauled into the classroom at the end of the day. Ds has kicked another student very hard. I was absolutely mortified and upset, I have never ever known ds to hurt anyone, but wanted to know if it was the student he's had all of the issues with..turns out it was. I asked how it had come to him losing his shit that badly and was told she wasn't sure. So I asked ds to explain and, sure enough, it was the usual story. The teacher had left the room, student makes a beeline for ds and starts mocking him because he was asking another student if she was OK as she looked upset (that's a whole other story) and apparently boys can't talk to girls as it makes them pathetic. Ds asked her to leave him alone and walked away at which point the student follows him around the class mocking him. He says that he begged the student to leave him alone and kept walking around the room to get away but they carried on and he lost his shit and kicked them.

Now I don't condone what my ds has done, far from it, but I'm pretty pissed off that it has gone this far when I have repeatedly spoken to the school warning them that there is only so much ds will take before he loses his temper unless they act on our conversations and stop the other students behaviour. And now they have labelled ds as a child who requires anger management! I actually think he's managed his anger pretty bloody well over the past 3 years despite the relentless lies and sly mocking.

So my question is, how do I move forward with this? I warned the teachers, even as recently as 2 weeks ago, that he is being pushed beyond my limits of anger coaching. I warned them that there is only so much he can take and that teachers have so far been unhelpful when he has asked for help and told them what is happening. He's done everything right so far but now he's undone all of that by kicking this student. How do I deal with this without making it look like I'm one of those parents that doesn't believe her PFB can do any wrong?? He has done wrong, he is very remorseful and even the teacher said he didn't stop apologising all day, but surely some blame should be taken off his shoulders? Yesterday they were angling all of the blame on ds and wanting to make referrals for anger management and counselling, blaming his reaction on the fact he's been upset as his grampy, my dad, died of covid in February. This has been going on since way before my dad passed and I actually resent them making attempts to blame that, rather than admitting they fucked up and misread the message I was trying to convey. But that's just me projecting I guess 😕

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Retrievemysanity · 22/10/2021 12:48

Personally if the girl is year 6 and your DS year 5, I wouldn’t move him now particularly if there’s a chance he’ll end up at the same secondary as her in a couple of years where it could all start up again. I think you need to dig down to the root of why the school are so reluctant to believe/act on what you and your DS are saying especially as you said there were many witnesses to the playground incident which corroborate what you’ve been saying. I wouldn’t take being fobbed off either and I wouldn’t hesitate on taking it further (governers etc). In the interim, is there a possibility of him moving to the class below? Is that a mixture of year 4 and 5? Good luck and sorry for your loss as well.

KitBumbleB · 22/10/2021 12:49

Probably an unpopular opinion but good on him

Bet she doesnt bother him again

My DD had similar, she is very happily out as gay, one boy took it upon himself to change her mind, he kept trying to kiss her. One time he leant in to forcibly kiss her, she grabbed the back of his head and slammed it into the desk.
Never did it again.

(The school saw no issue with him sexually harassing her, so I saw no issue with her literally taking it into her own hands)

Summersnake · 22/10/2021 12:51

I was bullied at school ,a child can only take so much .you need to remove him from that situation
He is your responsibility,not the school’s responsibility,YOURS
You gave birth to him .
Your responsibility to fix this .
The school is clearly useless.
Your banging your head against a brick wall.
I attempted suicide twice due to bullying .
Not much older than your son.
Why are so intent on understanding why your son is targeted ?
Victim blaming ..by moving school ??? No ,protect your son
Where would it end ?.you find a better school where they have a decent bullying policy
What happens when they end up at the same secondary…she will start again.
Move your son away from her ..

chocorabbit · 22/10/2021 12:51

[quote Notaroadrunner]@Blahblahnobodylistens don't consent to anything until you have spoken to the head. Tell the teacher you are awaiting a call from HM and you will get back to them re counselling. Fuck that trying to blame your Ds because of his bereavement. The teacher probably wants you to agree so they can tell the brats parents that they are dealing with your Ds. I'd be fuming. Channel your anger now and even if you don't get a call today, use the break to document all calls, emails etc that you recall making to the school about this issue. Then you will have it ready for when you speak to the HM.[/quote]
Absolutely this.

They are trying to attribute his "issues" that you overheard to your DF's death, so that's how he takes his "anger" out. Don't fall into this. They want to manage the bullied child and not the bully himself. Refyse and make it crystal clear that the reason is that they have not protected your DS and how the teacher had never responded to your concerns before. Just because there are problems with the other child it doesn't mean that your DS is an emotional and physical punch bag. Sheer victim blaming. Mention everything to the HT and use any language schools and OFSTED use as it will affect them.

DrWankincense · 22/10/2021 12:52

I've just read the OP and wanted to quickly respond.
Our story is extremely similar, back and forth to school. Parents didn't want to know and said school have to deal.
Went on for years until my child snapped, told bully to Fuck Off and gave her a hard push. Which unfortunately resulted in her tripping backwards and looking foolish in front of her friends.
The mum was straight on the phone to school.
My child was so upset and thought they'd be in trouble but it ended that day, and because it was out of school they didn't get involved.
It's very, very hard to go through but it was definitely character building and now my child takes no crap. As much as we want life not to be like this sometimes it's dog eat dog.
I really hope it resolves for you all soon, OP.
Flowers

spudjulia · 22/10/2021 12:53

@Blahblahnobodylistens I agree with you. You shouldn't have to move your son to a different school. If it's a small local one, especially, I imagine there aren't loads of local choices and it could be detrimental educationally and socially to move your child at this point, in year 5, after 2 previous disrupted school years.

The school don't seem to be acting properly, from what you've said, and you do have several ways to peruse this now to make things better for your son whilst he stays at this school.

Youdoyoutoday · 22/10/2021 12:53

You're a better person than me as i'd be guns blazing in that HT's office right now and making a beeline for the other mother!

However, my sensible head realises that is not always the right thing! Plenty of good suggestions especially from @Carboncheque to get a written backlog of all the incidents that have happened to prove that this has gone on for a long time and not just since your DF passed away.
Another good point, is now that he has fought back, the bully may just back off now, that happened to me 30 odd years ago and I doubt playground politics have changed that much.

Also, totally mad but my sneaky head would do some background digging on this other family to find out what made them move school. I bet you would find a history of trouble there too!

Good luck OP.

monarchoftheglen · 22/10/2021 12:53

Very very similar situation at my DC's school - the 'other' child in question was on the teachers' radar as he had 'issues' at home, and so they kind of just put kid gloves on with him - they never really disciplined him. Could there be something similar that they're not able to disclose with you re the other boy?

berlinbabylon · 22/10/2021 12:53

@Carboncheque

Also, I would be really proud of your DS for staying calm for as long as he has. Words can hurt as much if not more than physical blows and the school left him with no protection from this child. He even tried to tell an adult as requested. He has been pushed and pushed until he snapped.
I agree. Children are goaded and goaded in a way that adults generally are not. Adults are adults, and are supposed to be grown-up, yet we expect children to put up with behaviour towards themselves that we'd never expect an adult to accept.

The school needs to step up and sort this out. Thank goodness the girl is Y6 and will be gone in a few months anyway (it's still a long time for the OP's ds though).

I think you need to dig down to the root of why the school are so reluctant to believe/act on what you and your DS are saying especially as you said there were many witnesses to the playground incident which corroborate what you’ve been saying. I wouldn’t take being fobbed off

completely agree with this. You need to get like a broken record OP:

What are you going to do to sort this out; and
Why are you fobbing me off.

Until the school comes up with a strategy for dealing with the matter that you are happy with.

My ds has also been in this position, with kids goading him until he snapped. Fortunately, during Y7 his secondary school HT realised what was happening and put a swift(ish) stop to it. I don't know why teachers don't notice sooner what's going on, you'd think with their experience that they'd get the measure of kids quickly.

RussianSpy101 · 22/10/2021 13:00

Why wouldn’t you move him?

“Why should my son move”

To save his mental health? To make him happy? To give him the chance to enjoy school? I could go on

Cam77 · 22/10/2021 13:03

It seems the school is not taking bullying seriously and that is very serious. I’d echo what other people are saying and would be writing daily letter/emails if needs be. And that wouldn’t just be for any future incidents, but also why they failed completely in protecting my child from harassment and bullying. As an aside, I somewhat doubt even a poor school would have let a situation slide in which a Y5 girl was being bullied by a Y6 boy for weeks on end.

Insert1x20p · 22/10/2021 13:04

I agree that now is the time to be "that parent" because schools will always take the easiest route, so make sure that steamrolling you is not it. Get off the defensive and onto the offensive. Don't acknowledge that your child is even slightly to blame re this other child. I know you were mortified when he kicked her, but if he does it again just say "well I warned you about this and you've totally failed to engage with my concerns [slap down copies of unanswered emails from teacher]".

The school pretty much needs to put an unofficial restraining order on this girl and tell her to leave him alone.

Cam77 · 22/10/2021 13:05

@RussianSpy101
Perhaps - but the school needs to step up and do their job of protecting children on their premises, and I’d make sure they do it, regardless of whether the child in question moves or not.

Blahblahnobodylistens · 22/10/2021 13:06

@RussianSpy101

Why wouldn’t you move him?

“Why should my son move”

To save his mental health? To make him happy? To give him the chance to enjoy school? I could go on

I understand that but he's in a class that he has had the same friends in for 7 years (I you include the nursery, which is joined with reception) and I believe that being pulled out of school and away from all of his friends would have more of a detrimental effect on him. Is it so unreasonable as to not to have to expect he gets the rug pulled out from under him socially and personally, all because one child cannot be dealt with appropriately for whatever reason it is?
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Insert1x20p · 22/10/2021 13:08

No- I'd agree dont move, especially if this girl is going to be at the same secondary school. It needs to be dealt with now and if they go to the same secondary school you need to be pre-emptive.

Cookie79 · 22/10/2021 13:08

Argh typed a reply that disappeared!
Honestly OP I’d move him. I had to move DD part way through year 6 but the change in her was fantastic. School just seemed to want to protect the perpetrators at all costs.

Cam77 · 22/10/2021 13:09

@Youdoyoutoday
You're a better person than me as i'd be guns blazing in that HT's office right now and making a beeline for the other mother! However, my sensible head realises that is not always the right thing!

Confronting the HT is the right thing in the situation. He/She probably has a dozen things which are currently “more of a priority” (hiring a new teacher, some meeting, some budget etc etc). OP needs to encourage the Head to reassess. A quick word with the TA won’t achieve that.

10yearwarranty · 22/10/2021 13:26

I would look for another school... but as you don't want to do that. Get the school complaints procedure from the website and follow it. Don't waste time with informal stages, make a formal written complaint and start by saying that you consider that all informal avenues have already failed.
Ignore advice to contact the local authority - this isn't something they would deal with. Contact the governors - they can't act until the formal complaint has been dealt with by the headteacher. (I am a school governance professional, I deal with this stuff).
Meanwhile you need an urgent face to face with the head with an aim to get assurances that your son will not be left unsupervised with this child at any time.

Blahblahnobodylistens · 22/10/2021 13:27

I only spoke to the TA because I wasn't getting any response from the teacher at the start of the year when I was asking for a meeting to discuss the history between the 2 of them and she knows the history because she has worked between classes. It was the TA that first said that ds wasn't the only target of this behaviour and it had been "noted".

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2Two · 22/10/2021 13:30

In addition to the bullying policy, ask for copies of the discipline, safeguarding and complaints policies. Ask for a meeting with the head and the safeguarding lead and stipulate that the agenda will essentially be:

  1. Discussion of precisely how the school has implemented those policies to date in relation to your child.
  2. Discussion of what precisely they are going to do from now on to keep him safe.

Take someone else with you to take detailed notes, and make sure you write up the minutes of the meeting, in particular details of what precisely has been agreed, and circulate them immediately afterwards. You could suggest the plan of action includes a review meeting in three weeks' time to ensure everything has been implemented, and a further review at the end of term.

If they don't come up with a sensible plan and put it into place, make it clear you will be making a formal complaint and that Ofsted will be notified.

BluebellsGreenbells · 22/10/2021 13:30

You need to follow up all conversations with an email detailing the conversation, suggestions for safeguarding your child ans a review date

Have a look online and see if you can find the complaints procedure for the school - it’s a good document to refer too as it includes the processes and procedures - almost a parent handy guide!

Mention the key points

Safeguarding
Responsibility
Involving the other child’s parents etc

1forAll74 · 22/10/2021 13:35

What kind of a school is this,to not get to grips with bullying and bad behaviour , from one particular child, and to witness what affects it has on others. And to hear that a child, can wander around the class room doing whatever they please.

Having a parent,who has to keep contacting a school,with all the worry,and hassle,should not be necessary, if the school is run properly and fair.

loopylindi · 22/10/2021 13:35

Bullies can be insidious. They know which buttons to press and when. They stab with a smile. In my previous life I taught in a prestigious secondary school(ha! ha!) In one class was the daughter of the deputy head and her accolyte. There was also a girl who had fewer social skills. Guess which one was the bully? After being observed doing her worst, I confronted her about what had gone on, which of course she denied. She mentioned it to the father and his partner, who was also a teacher in the school, then rather than talking to me directly about what had happened, she ' mentioned' in the staff room that this allegation had been made and how (in her words) ridiculous it was. (Pupils name) would never do any thing like that. However, it still carried on. This was well before 'safeguarding'. How could I have escalated that? That was over 40yrs ago and I still replay the situation.
When you have a class of 20-30 students all milling around it is hard to pinpoint certain behaviours, as I commented above, they can be sly. However, if a situation has been flagged up then observations should be more meaningful. Video cameras in classrooms would help.

Nanny0gg · 22/10/2021 13:36

@Summersnake

I was bullied at school ,a child can only take so much .you need to remove him from that situation He is your responsibility,not the school’s responsibility,YOURS You gave birth to him . Your responsibility to fix this . The school is clearly useless. Your banging your head against a brick wall. I attempted suicide twice due to bullying . Not much older than your son. Why are so intent on understanding why your son is targeted ? Victim blaming ..by moving school ??? No ,protect your son Where would it end ?.you find a better school where they have a decent bullying policy What happens when they end up at the same secondary…she will start again. Move your son away from her ..
Some areas there is no option for different secondary schools...
Nanny0gg · 22/10/2021 13:37

@1forAll74

What kind of a school is this,to not get to grips with bullying and bad behaviour , from one particular child, and to witness what affects it has on others. And to hear that a child, can wander around the class room doing whatever they please.

Having a parent,who has to keep contacting a school,with all the worry,and hassle,should not be necessary, if the school is run properly and fair.

It's not unusual
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