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I said it would happen, it happened, now what?

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Blahblahnobodylistens · 22/10/2021 10:30

I wasn't really sure where to put this as it could cover a few areas but I'm need to ask for advice regarding 10 year old and school. This is quite lengthy as there is a bit of history which is important.

But of backstory...ds goes to a small school, each class is 2 years in one with approx 28 students per class. He is in year 5 and has had many issues with another student who is now in year 6. Last year was not an issue because they were in separate classes and all the restrictions meant they rarely crossed paths however, the year before was absolutely horrendous with tears most days due to behaviour from the other child. This behaviour included making up stories that ds had hit them and hurt them. ds was taken into the HM office on more than one occasion due to this but ds always maintained his innocence and became very upset each time. This came to an abrupt end when this child threw themselves on the floor screaming as they lined up in the playground at the start of the day, stating ds had punched her in the face. Thankfully several parents and another teacher saw what had happened and as ds was being marched to the HM office they came to his rescue and told them it was fabricated. They would also goad ds, whispering awful things to him about how he was ugly, fat (definitely not as he competes in a sport that he is regional champ in), everyone hates him etc etc and following him despite ds begging them to leave him alone and trying to walk away. That year I lost countless hours talking to his teachers, begging them to monitor the situation before he loses his shit and reacts in the way I guess she's hoping he will so he gets into serious trouble. Just to add, all of these things were always done away from the teachers, out of earshot and slyly. When this school year started, I requested a meeting with his new teacher so she was aware of the history, only because ds had huge anxiety about being back in a class with this child. She never replied, has ignored me via several channels of communication 😒

2 weeks ago this child started all old behaviours again and followed ds around the playground venting awful stuff. Ds did exactly what we have been instilling in him to do, ask her to leave him alone and go tell a teacher what is happening. He did this...and was told to stop telling tales. The 2 children ended up having a big row in the playground because they just would not leave him alone, they had a scuffle and ds got into trouble. I was so pissed off that ds had done everything we had been reinforcing him was the right thing to do yet was the one to get into trouble because he was effectively failed. I went in the next morning and had a very long chat with the TA (as the teacher wasn't available) and made it very clear that his treatment was actually very unfair when he was the one that was being goaded and was basically told to fuck off when he tried to put an end to it.

Anyway, onto yesterday...I get hauled into the classroom at the end of the day. Ds has kicked another student very hard. I was absolutely mortified and upset, I have never ever known ds to hurt anyone, but wanted to know if it was the student he's had all of the issues with..turns out it was. I asked how it had come to him losing his shit that badly and was told she wasn't sure. So I asked ds to explain and, sure enough, it was the usual story. The teacher had left the room, student makes a beeline for ds and starts mocking him because he was asking another student if she was OK as she looked upset (that's a whole other story) and apparently boys can't talk to girls as it makes them pathetic. Ds asked her to leave him alone and walked away at which point the student follows him around the class mocking him. He says that he begged the student to leave him alone and kept walking around the room to get away but they carried on and he lost his shit and kicked them.

Now I don't condone what my ds has done, far from it, but I'm pretty pissed off that it has gone this far when I have repeatedly spoken to the school warning them that there is only so much ds will take before he loses his temper unless they act on our conversations and stop the other students behaviour. And now they have labelled ds as a child who requires anger management! I actually think he's managed his anger pretty bloody well over the past 3 years despite the relentless lies and sly mocking.

So my question is, how do I move forward with this? I warned the teachers, even as recently as 2 weeks ago, that he is being pushed beyond my limits of anger coaching. I warned them that there is only so much he can take and that teachers have so far been unhelpful when he has asked for help and told them what is happening. He's done everything right so far but now he's undone all of that by kicking this student. How do I deal with this without making it look like I'm one of those parents that doesn't believe her PFB can do any wrong?? He has done wrong, he is very remorseful and even the teacher said he didn't stop apologising all day, but surely some blame should be taken off his shoulders? Yesterday they were angling all of the blame on ds and wanting to make referrals for anger management and counselling, blaming his reaction on the fact he's been upset as his grampy, my dad, died of covid in February. This has been going on since way before my dad passed and I actually resent them making attempts to blame that, rather than admitting they fucked up and misread the message I was trying to convey. But that's just me projecting I guess 😕

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Steph57 · 23/10/2021 20:36

Have you spoken to the parent(s) of the bully? My son was relentlessly bullied by one child at primary school for a few months. He didn't tell me for a while. Once he did I spoke calmy to the bully's mother and said either she dealt with it or I took it further up the chain of complaints. She thanked me(!) for not going to the school staff and said she would deal with it. And she did! No more bullying from that day on for the next 4 years until they left to go to different High Schools.

Plumbuddle · 23/10/2021 20:38

@dementor72

My dd suffered like this 25 years ago so it saddens me to hear behaviour like this is still ignored . I was also fobbed off until I was unexpectedly at school to collect her one day (usually at work) she was being held down by one bigger child and beaten by another , the teachers were looking the other way . I’m afraid I shouted rather loudly that ‘My child was being attacked ‘ while rushing over to intervene . Felt a bit overly dramatic until the HT told me off ‘as the kids would have sorted themselves out’ I took my childs’ hand , walked her up to the head and said ‘ we are leaving now to find another school , yours doesn’t work for us’. We did , she thrived , her real friends visited us at home and are still in her life. I reported the incident to the LEA , the head moved …. that was the only poor outcome.
Terrible. Good for you.
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LemonWeb · 23/10/2021 21:00

My eldest was bullied like this in Y3. Nasty boy hounded him whenever the teachers weren’t around. Needled him and needled him, whispering mean things into his ear. DS told not to tell tales. Bully child not caught in the act. When I complained, the teacher told me they were doing anti-bullying as a topic, and the next newsletter had DS next to nasty boy both holding up anti-bullying shields, and DS told me that nasty boy had been whispering I hate you, I hope you leave, everyone hates you.

We took DS out of that school. Next year nasty boy picked on someone else. After a few years the school did figure out that he was a problem, but he was a very sly child and rarely got caught in the act. I’m glad I moved DS: the bully made him absolutely miserable, and the HT said ‘oh it’s such a small school we’d know if there was any bullying’ and just didn’t believe DS.

Owl55 · 23/10/2021 21:02

Mention offsted and the head will soon se you!

Owl55 · 23/10/2021 21:04

Could you speak to the child’s parents directly?

ClaudiasWinkleMan · 23/10/2021 21:26

From now on every time anything happens email. You need a paper trail. Which serves as evidence of lack of action on schools behalf. They should have a behaviour log of some sort. If they haven’t that needs to change. Make a complaint to the governors in writing. And say if you aren’t satisfied with the outcome you will escalate to LA and ofsted if you have to.

vodkacat · 23/10/2021 21:26

I would get the schools formal complaints procedure and follow each step correctly. I would also copy letters etc to the safeguarding school governor. ( or chair )

kazzaaaa · 23/10/2021 22:05

My son is now 21 and had this trouble at primary school. We should have dealt with it as he now still suffers from social anxiety now. I would have gone to the governors if I had known how much of an impact this can leave.

AccidentallyOnPurpose · 23/10/2021 22:36

The thing is OP, you can't fix a shit school. Even if you use all their policies and complaints procedures and you get a result,the relationship will break down anyways as will the trust and bond between you and the school and DS and his teacher. Not to mention that whatever they say or do, the attitudes and mentality that has been hurting your son will still be there.

As unfair as it seems, this has gone on long enough. Your son deserves better, they either can't or won't give him that. It's time to move schools.

Midnightshopping · 23/10/2021 22:41

bypass the school they have already failed. go to the police as she is older than your boy she is old enough to be criminaly responsible. written complaint with la and ofsted against school and if you can stretch to it id get one of those restraining order type things against the little psycho after filing something with social services against them and their parents and the school as they are failing in safe guarding duty.

AccidentallyOnPurpose · 23/10/2021 22:44

@Midnightshopping

bypass the school they have already failed. go to the police as she is older than your boy she is old enough to be criminaly responsible. written complaint with la and ofsted against school and if you can stretch to it id get one of those restraining order type things against the little psycho after filing something with social services against them and their parents and the school as they are failing in safe guarding duty.
Criminally responsible for what? Being a bullying twat is not a crime.
Ginandcrispsarebliss · 23/10/2021 22:48

My children go to a tiny village school and parents and teachers are friends. When my DD was little she had a buddy who was age 10 or 11. Old enough to know not to bully a small child who was meant to help my DD settle in.
School did nothing about the bullying. Iwas called in and promise they will deal with it. Nothing was done and and school swept it under the carpet. The final straw was when I was called back into school because my DD was crying as the older child try to suffocate her in the playground. I moved my child out of school then and there, moved her to another school and never looked back. After a few months my DD was happy at her new school. She is 14 and it still makes me feel sad when I think about. Just such a awful time.

Midnightshopping · 23/10/2021 22:50

and just to before people say she is just a kid, she isn't those are clear sociopathic traits and they can not be fixed or nurtured away. this is a type of broken that can not be fixed.

Noni123 · 23/10/2021 22:51

This happened to my grand daughter & it went on for years! The other child started off as a friend but after awhile we realised that she was actually bullying my grand daughter telling her she was ugly no one liked her etc. The truth was my grand daughter is very popular & gregarious the other girl unliked by most so I think she was jealous. We approached the school on numerous occasions-explained that the relationship was toxic & asked they be in seperate classes (this school had 2 classes per year so was not an unreasonable request) when my grand daughter went back to school in the Sept not only were they in the same class they has been placed next to each other!!! You couldn't write it! Things escalated with my grand daughter school refusing-on one occassion her friends were hiding her because the other girl was searching for her with a pair of scissors!!!! They were both 8 at the time The school were well aware of this child's issues -she was receiving counselling for goodness knows what but they kept staring that they were helping her even though this was at the cost of my grand daughters health. Enough was enough-i was waiting in the playground for my daughter & her children when the child in question walked past me-i asked if she knew who I was-i think I probably shouted & said you stay away from my grand daughter do you hear me or you will have me to deal with! Well it was worth the letter of complaint re my behaviour from the HM only the following day as that child has never come near her again. Amazing how the school can galvanise when it suits-I'm not proud that this was the only way left to us but it worked & I would do it again in a heartbeat. My grand daughter is now in senior school & loving it. Recently she has been diagnosed with autism (high functioning-so hid it well) but the junior school missed that as well-too busy covering the real problem children & missing those in plain sight!! Good luck with everything I agree with everyone else try & take the complaint formally & document everthing-every upset,school refusal & everytime you have tried to raise a concern

Milliepossum · 23/10/2021 22:55

@Midnightshopping

and just to before people say she is just a kid, she isn't those are clear sociopathic traits and they can not be fixed or nurtured away. this is a type of broken that can not be fixed.
I agree and have seen this before, these types of people just don’t care about others. No amount of intervention can succeed.
Plumbuddle · 23/10/2021 23:25

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

The thing is OP, you can't fix a shit school. Even if you use all their policies and complaints procedures and you get a result,the relationship will break down anyways as will the trust and bond between you and the school and DS and his teacher. Not to mention that whatever they say or do, the attitudes and mentality that has been hurting your son will still be there.

As unfair as it seems, this has gone on long enough. Your son deserves better, they either can't or won't give him that. It's time to move schools.

Also they will make sure he gets a label before high school. Be aware, a school this bad will turn on your child.
mylifestory · 23/10/2021 23:26

Schools will never admit to this going on in their school. some like ours wd rather all the children in it were,dead rather than have any bullying on their record. They will soon start blaming you more and get social services involved as it is obviously you who's the problem. It clearly isn't bt its a pattern they all follow. Be very aware. If you have any him that this is happening, leave the school immediately, Dr register and home school until u go elsewhere. Do not stay and fight it as it will get no better for u or yr kid, in fact, they wd then make it impossible for u both until u do leave. I had something similar and a very good friend who worked in social services guiding me. It doesnt matter what u or yr kid do, its a very sad truth that schools, SS, police and everyone collude in these cases and follow the same path to keep themselves employed and follow a kind of routine to make everyone miserable while they rakemin the bonuses to drag u thru their shit. Msg me if u need to. Been there done that. If ur thinking this won't happen to u, believe me, it will.

Fluffmum · 23/10/2021 23:27

Ask to speak to her parents. It sounds like a bloody nightmare for you .

Violinist64 · 23/10/2021 23:52

@Sportsnight

It sounds horrendous, and your son needs support from the school, and they need to take this bullying behaviour from the other pupil very seriously and deal with it. But, unfortunately it does sound like your son’s temper is also a problem, and you will need to deal with that too. Violence in response to goading is not an appropriate response, and he needs to learn to walk away from provocation. He/ she pushed me to it will not be a defence if he carries that behaviour into adulthood. If the school aren’t supporting him at all in this, both with preventing the bullying and handling his reactiveness, moving might be your only option.
It might not be the acceptable response to provocation but this child is nine and has been provoked for three years. Yes, what he did was wrong but sometimes the worm has to turn and one attack in retaliation can often be enough. This has been the case throughout time and very, very few one-off retaliatory attacks like this as a child mean that someone will carry on like this in regards to provocation as an adult. The op’s son does not have a temper problem, he has a bullying problem.
Violinist64 · 23/10/2021 23:58

By the way, l don’t advocate violence but I think this girl got what she deserved.

Inks42 · 24/10/2021 00:24

Can anyone else in your DS class corroborate the harassment? This could be useful when you're writing your own account of events and you can quote who were witnesses in the meeting with HT and school governors.
When your DS experiences the harassment and the teacher doesn't believe him, does he seek refuge with his friends? Do they help him stand up to her?

AccidentallyOnPurpose · 24/10/2021 00:27

@Violinist64

By the way, l don’t advocate violence but I think this girl got what she deserved.
It's not about condoning violence, is that everyone reaches their fight or flight stage at some point. Children even more so, as they're still learning to regulate themselves. When there's nowhere to run and no one to help... sometimes there's just fight left.
Isaidnomorecrisps · 24/10/2021 00:32

Sounds like a crap school.
My two have been in good and bad schools and both exist. At my son’s last one a boy colluded with another one to invite a third one over to suffocate him. Bully now at top public school and nothing done.
You have a choice and you do have control - work through all the means available as the other posters have said. Do it calmly and properly knowing you are right. If it doesn’t work out decide whether you can accept it continuing, or move him. Both my kids are at great schools now, but I accept it’s the luck of the draw. There are so many examples of what you’ve been going through - it’s everywhere. Not at all to downplay this, but to let you know you’re not alone. One of my daughter’s nursery friends moved from unbelievably awful bullying to a new school, left all social media etc and is totally fine now. Believe in yourself xx

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