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Wayne Couzens experience in prison?

387 replies

faithfulbird20 · 01/10/2021 12:08

Obviously I don't care how he gets treated but do you think other prisoners are going to give him a tough time especially since he's ex police and especially since what he did?

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snowballer · 01/10/2021 15:57

Some of this thread is mad.

Those of you advocating vigilante punishment/blind eyes being turned to inmates injuring or murdering him and shit in food are, presumably, the same people saying he didn't deserve a defence barrister in court. Thankfully the justice system is, in the main, on a higher level both morally and intellectually than some of those on this thread.

As soon as you suggest he deserves to be tortured, you are no better than he is. A civilised society punishes with deprivation of liberty, but treats those it punishes with basic human respect. Only by doing that can the system maintain any semblance of a position on the moral higher ground.

lolawasashowgirl · 01/10/2021 15:57

@Snookie00 it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you feel that way! However I'm entitled to my opinion just as you're entitled to yours!

GrolliffetheDragon · 01/10/2021 15:59

Human rights must apply to everyone, even the worst of us, or they're absolutely worthless, and that's damaging for all of us.

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 01/10/2021 16:00

@WhatATimeToBeAlive

Wouldn't be surprised if he tops himself in prison.
My thoughts also. We can but hope.
MrsSchrute · 01/10/2021 16:02

@DownToTheSeaAgain

It is my understanding that in the UK the deprivation of liberty (in this case forever) is the punishment and not the conditions of that deprivation.

I hope that enough is done to rehabilitate him so that he leads a full life within the parameters of his confinement. I suspect that this won't happen and that is a sign of the fundamental unfit for purpose-ness of our prisons.

His crime is awful but by wishing the worse to happen to him we do nothing other than bring ourselves down to his level.

Yes exactly this.
The bloodlust on this thread is a bit concerning.

GrolliffetheDragon · 01/10/2021 16:07

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow

I think the posters outraged at people posting hypothetical (and impossible) scenarios are people who are probably lucky enough that neither they nor their loved ones have been victim of a horrendous crime. And it is all completely hypothetical, no-one here can put shit in his food or beat him up, we have zero power to do anything to him. All anyone on here can do is have a tiny outlet for how furious and hopeless a lot of women feel today. I think not acknowledging that and trying to police posters into only having totally objective, calm posts is nasty and lacking in empathy actually. Have you thought of giving your self righteousness a day off for once?
I was sexually abused. An aunt and a cousin have both been raped. I know someone whose sister was murdered. I could go on.

And yes, the person who abused me? I'll go spit on his grave when he dies, and I fully understand people who have lost someone or been harmed having revenge fantasies against the perpetrator, I've been there - but that's not the case on this thread is it?

lolawasashowgirl · 01/10/2021 16:09

I'm so sorry @GrolliffetheDragon 💐

MissEDashwood19 · 01/10/2021 16:09

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow

I think the posters outraged at people posting hypothetical (and impossible) scenarios are people who are probably lucky enough that neither they nor their loved ones have been victim of a horrendous crime. And it is all completely hypothetical, no-one here can put shit in his food or beat him up, we have zero power to do anything to him. All anyone on here can do is have a tiny outlet for how furious and hopeless a lot of women feel today. I think not acknowledging that and trying to police posters into only having totally objective, calm posts is nasty and lacking in empathy actually. Have you thought of giving your self righteousness a day off for once?
This.

I won't be losing sleep over any of the alleged horrors that face this "person" in prison. I hope he spends his time looking over his shoulder and if someone inside tortures and kills him, I certainly won't be tormented by that either. He didn't spare one thought for the lovely girl he tortured and killed nor her family who will be tortured by this for the rest of their lives.

Perpetrators of true evil won't be rehabilitated if you give them enough courses and cuddles in prison. Life should mean life and it shouldn't be a bloody holiday camp.

Snookie00 · 01/10/2021 16:10

Most of us don’t live in the ivory tower, philosophical principles, moral high ground world full of noble mumsnet posters who believe that loss of liberty is the only inconvenience convicted prisoners like him should face.

He was a police officer - he knew exactly what he’d be facing inside. He chose a course of action that put him in that in an environment with lots of people who will happily hurt him. Can’t exactly come as a shock to him that he’ll be living a pretty bleak existence in prison.

Buttons294749 · 01/10/2021 16:13

He is an awful man who deserves to never be free again. I often walk alone in London/wandsworth after dark, he and his kind are terrifying to me.

But he should be safe in prison, I don't want to live in society where prisoners do not have the same basic human rights we all do, we cannot strive to improve our society if we are perpetuating violence which will breed more violence.

I do however hope he lives with shame and guilt over what he did.

snowballer · 01/10/2021 16:13

@Buttons294749

He is an awful man who deserves to never be free again. I often walk alone in London/wandsworth after dark, he and his kind are terrifying to me.

But he should be safe in prison, I don't want to live in society where prisoners do not have the same basic human rights we all do, we cannot strive to improve our society if we are perpetuating violence which will breed more violence.

I do however hope he lives with shame and guilt over what he did.

Spot on.
snowballer · 01/10/2021 16:15

Most of us don’t live in the ivory tower, philosophical principles, moral high ground world full of noble mumsnet posters who believe that loss of liberty is the only inconvenience convicted prisoners like him should face.

It's no ivory tower. Just a desire to continue living in a society in which fundamental human rights apply to all, not on a subjective case by case basis. Nothing would ever persuade me that mob justice ever leads to anything good.

DownToTheSeaAgain · 01/10/2021 16:16

@Buttons294749

He is an awful man who deserves to never be free again. I often walk alone in London/wandsworth after dark, he and his kind are terrifying to me.

But he should be safe in prison, I don't want to live in society where prisoners do not have the same basic human rights we all do, we cannot strive to improve our society if we are perpetuating violence which will breed more violence.

I do however hope he lives with shame and guilt over what he did.

This
EvilPea · 01/10/2021 16:18

I hope his wife and children are doing ok.

JaneJeffer · 01/10/2021 16:18

I do however hope he lives with shame and guilt over what he did.
I very much doubt that a man who planned such an awful crime and carried it out is capable of feeling shame or guilt.

snowballer · 01/10/2021 16:19

I hope he lives an extremely long and very healthy life, in which he has decades and decades with no hope of any liberty ever again, to contemplate the despicable things he did. His life is over and that's enough for me. However, I suspect he will kill himself within a year, taking the easy way out.

ohfourfoxache · 01/10/2021 16:23

@EvilPea I dread to think what his wife and kids may have been subjected to over the years Sad

Snookie00 · 01/10/2021 16:23

@snowballer

Most of us don’t live in the ivory tower, philosophical principles, moral high ground world full of noble mumsnet posters who believe that loss of liberty is the only inconvenience convicted prisoners like him should face.

It's no ivory tower. Just a desire to continue living in a society in which fundamental human rights apply to all, not on a subjective case by case basis. Nothing would ever persuade me that mob justice ever leads to anything good.

Which you are perfectly entitled to believe. The rest of us will continue to not care about his treatment inside.

By the way we do put limits on human rights or he wouldn’t be imprisoned. We have decided to limit his right to Liberty. What these limits are depend on the social values at that time and differs according to time, place and multitude of factors. There are no one set of human rights which apply to all people all the time regardless of what they do.

peaceanddove · 01/10/2021 16:24

As a police officer he would have been acutely aware of what life would be like for him inside and he chose to commit the crime anyway

This is why I'm 99% certain that he has murdered before, more than once. I think he was incredibly confident that he wouldn't get caught and go to prison - because he'd never been caught yet Sad

EvilPea · 01/10/2021 16:30

[quote ohfourfoxache]@EvilPea I dread to think what his wife and kids may have been subjected to over the years Sad[/quote]
I think about them a lot
More Innocents dragged in to his sick world.

myadhdusername · 01/10/2021 16:32

Did we find out if it’s likely he had done it before?

deeni · 01/10/2021 16:36

@Buttons294749

He is an awful man who deserves to never be free again. I often walk alone in London/wandsworth after dark, he and his kind are terrifying to me.

But he should be safe in prison, I don't want to live in society where prisoners do not have the same basic human rights we all do, we cannot strive to improve our society if we are perpetuating violence which will breed more violence.

I do however hope he lives with shame and guilt over what he did.

This. We have to be humane to people in prison, even while 100% condemning their actions.

I also really hate the "easy way out" mentality. Suicide wouldn't be referred to like this for any other person in any other situation. We've lived with it and it's fucking awful.

Bambam2019 · 01/10/2021 16:36

I don’t think he will have an easy time but that will of course be more due to the fact that he is ex police, rather than because of the actual crime he committed.

MrsDThomas · 01/10/2021 16:41

What are you bothered about what happens to that piece of shit?

As a tax payer, id rather my money was spent on a bullet for a few quid than house in, feed him and care for him in prison for the rest of his life.

Many think the same, shame it cannot be done.

MrsSchrute · 01/10/2021 16:42

I think it comes down to what you believe the purpose of the criminal justice system to be.

Vengeance? Then crack on.

This guy will be in prison for his whole life, so he is no longer a danger to society.

If we want to make our society safer, then we should be focusing on rehabilitation, not retribution. It just doesn't work as a deterrent.

America has an unbelievably brutal prison system, it imprisons the highest number of people in the world. And it regularly comes near the bottom of world rankings.

The countries nearest the top, Denmark, Norway and Finland, have a very strong focus on rehabilitation. And have shown that it is effective.

The way of vengeance just brutalises prisoners, and in turn, society. It makes us less safe.

worldjusticeproject.org/our-work/research-and-data/wjp-rule-law-index-2020