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Wayne Couzens experience in prison?

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faithfulbird20 · 01/10/2021 12:08

Obviously I don't care how he gets treated but do you think other prisoners are going to give him a tough time especially since he's ex police and especially since what he did?

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SeaAndTea · 02/10/2021 21:15

I’m just not sure how telling everyone how a rapist and murderer must be treated well on mumsnet is really helping anything.
He’ll get his human rights regardless of anyone’s opinions on it. But when there is such public outrage because not only has Sarah been killed, there is an enormous issue with men harming and killing women. On a women’s forum there’s no need to continue to bang on about violent male prisoners rights. Why the fuck would anyone do that? He’s getting his human rights. It’s like certain posters are enjoying angering and upsetting other posters.
Any sane persons thoughts are not with WC.

snowballer · 02/10/2021 21:18

@Snookie00

Interesting to see that you haven’t actually addressed any of the pertinent points. I’m sure you’re too busy enjoying the feeling that you’re a virtuous self-appointed human rights arbiter.
I didn't bother responding because others have already addressed your points in previous posts. However, it's pretty basic that society understands and accepts a curtailment in liberty in prison as punishment for a crime. What a good and civilised society doesn't accept as a form of punishment is random, arbitrary mob justice to be dealt out in that prison.

Also, when people resort to petty personal insults, the value of their argument is diminished considerably.

00100001 · 02/10/2021 21:19

And let's imagine for one moment, that people on this thread "get their way" and that all rapist-murderers are allowed to be denied their human rights. That anyone can treat them any way they wish.

How would that work?

The guards turns blood eye to prisoner on prisoner beatings? They actively encourage the behaviour? Leave them to die in their cell? Listen as other prisoners rape them, making no effort to stop them.

Do they do the beatings themselves? How much force should they be allowed to use? What if they rape and murder a prisoner? Are they now in the system and its fair game? Or are they protected because it's their job? Who is the kind of person that would apply for that role? What kind of training must they go through?

Snookie00 · 02/10/2021 22:13

No idea. You’d have to ask the posters who have said they want him to be tortured by a state official. There may be a few on this thread but most other people have said that they won’t lose any sleep over the thought he’ll be having an uncomfortable time in prison.

Prisons are unpleasant places - I’m sure prison guards do their best to limit it but when you have that many nasty, agressive people in one place then bad things will happen. You can worry about WC having a terrible time in prison and campaign for better provision for prisoners in general whilst the rest of us can be ambivalent about what will happen to him.

SeaAndTea · 02/10/2021 22:45

You can worry about WC having a terrible time in prison and campaign for better provision for prisoners in general whilst the rest of us can be ambivalent about what will happen to him.

It does seem a strange thing for members of the public to be worrying about, doesn’t it. I still don’t really get why these posters have such an interest in prisoners rights when the innocent women in society are facing constant danger. Priorities and all that.

Snookie00 · 03/10/2021 00:02

@SeaAndTea

You can worry about WC having a terrible time in prison and campaign for better provision for prisoners in general whilst the rest of us can be ambivalent about what will happen to him.

It does seem a strange thing for members of the public to be worrying about, doesn’t it. I still don’t really get why these posters have such an interest in prisoners rights when the innocent women in society are facing constant danger. Priorities and all that.

But then they wouldn’t get to come on mumsnet and preach at us how we’re as bad as him for thinking that it’s karma if he is fearful about his treatment inside.

Yeah cos a bunch of upset women venting online aimlessly/with no authority who are not being that worried if he serves pretty hard time is equivalent to a man who kidnapped, raped and murdered a young woman. Strange perspective.

Lex345 · 03/10/2021 05:08

I hope he lives in fear of attack for the rest of his life. I hope he is constantly looking over his shoulder, not able to sleep properly, constantly on edge wondering if someone will attack him and hurt him. I hope he is haunted by having no control and being at the mercy of others, I hope he is worried and frightened, I hope he is paralysed by fear.

But I hope he isn't actually attacked. The living in fear of it every single day will be much worse for him. And he deserves every second of it.

AutumnOrange · 03/10/2021 06:34

Sally Clark was convicted of killing her 2 babies. According to some on here she should have been tortured and made to eat shit. She served 3 years before it became evident it was miscarriage of justice and was released. She drank herself to death when she came out. The treatment she received in prison as a ‘baby killer’ was horrendous. There were, I think, 2 other mothers who were also released after having their convictions for killing their babies overturned. Our system is not infallible.
In this country we don’t kill murderers, we don’t rape rapists, we don’t chop the hands off thieves and we don’t flog women for the slightest of things.
As a society we are better than that and so we should be.
We can think of revenge with our hearts and scream about it but justice has to be served with our heads.

confusedpersoninlife · 03/10/2021 08:46

Oh yes poor Wayne Couszens

Many people not understanding the point of this thread and taking the moral high ground about human rights lol bit cringeworthy 🙄

He was a delightful man. Just goes to show deeply ingrained and accepted these type of men are:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10053085/Wayne-Couzens-showed-prostitute-Met-colleagues-called-bit-brass-befor-emurdr.html#article-10053085

cricketmum84 · 03/10/2021 08:49

@AutumnOrange

Sally Clark was convicted of killing her 2 babies. According to some on here she should have been tortured and made to eat shit. She served 3 years before it became evident it was miscarriage of justice and was released. She drank herself to death when she came out. The treatment she received in prison as a ‘baby killer’ was horrendous. There were, I think, 2 other mothers who were also released after having their convictions for killing their babies overturned. Our system is not infallible. In this country we don’t kill murderers, we don’t rape rapists, we don’t chop the hands off thieves and we don’t flog women for the slightest of things. As a society we are better than that and so we should be. We can think of revenge with our hearts and scream about it but justice has to be served with our heads.
But her case is absolutely nothing like the one we are discussing!!! It's not even comparable.

He is 100% guilty without any possible doubt of one of the most awful crimes possible.

echt · 03/10/2021 09:18

But her case is absolutely nothing like the one we are discussing!!! It's not even comparable. He is 100% guilty without any possible doubt of one of the most awful crimes possible

OK. Try this:

Our system is not infallible. In this country we don’t kill murderers, we don’t rape rapists, we don’t chop the hands off thieves and we don’t flog women for the slightest of things. As a society we are better than that and so we should be. We can think of revenge with our hearts and scream about it but justice has to be served with our heads

AutumnOrange · 03/10/2021 09:24

I googled sally Clark mumsnet and although the thread is no longer available this is the hit I got.
What other posters are trying to say is where is the line for prisoners to be made to eat shit and tortured? So this disgusting specimen of a man - it’s ok to do that to? But where is the line? People were up in arms about Sally Clark hoping she would get hurt in prison. Nobody is saying we feel sorry for him - or saying poor him. We, as a society, should hold ourselves to higher standards.

Wayne Couzens experience in prison?
00100001 · 03/10/2021 09:30

"He is 100% guilty without any possible doubt of one of the most awful crimes possible."

It still doesn't mean we should remove his human rights and torture the man.

RussianSpy101 · 03/10/2021 09:42

@00100001 it means exactly that for me. Luckily for many, I’m not in charge and never will be.

SeaAndTea · 03/10/2021 09:44

It still doesn't mean we should remove his human rights and torture the man.

His human rights won’t be removed because of a few mumsnetters. So why do you insist on keeping on your ‘campaign’. He’s got his human rights already.

Of all the conversations this awful killing has started, you’ve chosen to defend human rights which are in place and he will get regardless. You don’t need to campaign for them. Why do you feel the need to do that?

AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit · 03/10/2021 10:00

@StellaCinnamon

Not usually an advocate of the death penalty. But in this case I’d say just put the bastard down like the animal he is.
Please don't refer to that vile cunt as an animal. Animals are beautiful, loving, innocent creatures who only kill for food. WC is a monster.
cricketmum84 · 03/10/2021 10:21

@SeaAndTea

It still doesn't mean we should remove his human rights and torture the man.

His human rights won’t be removed because of a few mumsnetters. So why do you insist on keeping on your ‘campaign’. He’s got his human rights already.

Of all the conversations this awful killing has started, you’ve chosen to defend human rights which are in place and he will get regardless. You don’t need to campaign for them. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Well said!!
00100001 · 03/10/2021 10:21

@SeaAndTea

It still doesn't mean we should remove his human rights and torture the man.

His human rights won’t be removed because of a few mumsnetters. So why do you insist on keeping on your ‘campaign’. He’s got his human rights already.

Of all the conversations this awful killing has started, you’ve chosen to defend human rights which are in place and he will get regardless. You don’t need to campaign for them. Why do you feel the need to do that?

For the same reason that MNers keep going on about how he should lose his human rights...
brokenbiscuitsx · 03/10/2021 10:37

Why do we think he’ll be mulling over what he’s done and thinking about the lives he’s destroyed in prison?

He planned this. He bought a van and a piece of land. He had plenty of time to think over all of this before committing his crime. That didn’t stop him.

I think the only thing he will be thinking of in prison is the annoyance he got caught!

pelosi · 03/10/2021 10:39

There’s no doubt in my mind he would have kept raping and murdering women if he wasn’t caught, so I agree he won’t have regret anything, except getting caught.

SeaAndTea · 03/10/2021 10:53

For the same reason that MNers keep going on about how he should lose his human rights...

No. People are saying it because they’re feeling angry. Because he’s taken someone’s life and because they know that there’s a big problem with men abusing women. More women will be killed, it’s not going to stop. It’s not being addressed properly. Whereas human rights have been addressed, they are in place, WC has rights. There’s no point to your posts other than to seek attention and upset people. You don’t need to fight for prisoners rights, they have them.

00100001 · 03/10/2021 13:12

@SeaAndTea

For the same reason that MNers keep going on about how he should lose his human rights...

No. People are saying it because they’re feeling angry. Because he’s taken someone’s life and because they know that there’s a big problem with men abusing women. More women will be killed, it’s not going to stop. It’s not being addressed properly. Whereas human rights have been addressed, they are in place, WC has rights. There’s no point to your posts other than to seek attention and upset people. You don’t need to fight for prisoners rights, they have them.

No people are saying that they genuinely want his human rights taken away. I am allowed to say that I find that horrifying and wrong.

Yes be angry. Yes be appalled at what he has done. But to continue to assert that his human rights should be removed is awful.

SeaAndTea · 03/10/2021 13:40

No people are saying that they genuinely want his human rights taken away. I am allowed to say that I find that horrifying and wrong.

Yes, you’ve told everyone that there is no difference between them, and WC who is guilty of kidnapping, raping, murdering and burning Sarah, an innocent woman. Hmm

SeaAndTea · 03/10/2021 13:42

As I’ve just said on another thread, don’t feed it, so I’ll take my own advice.

00100001 · 03/10/2021 15:20

@SeaAndTea

No people are saying that they genuinely want his human rights taken away. I am allowed to say that I find that horrifying and wrong.

Yes, you’ve told everyone that there is no difference between them, and WC who is guilty of kidnapping, raping, murdering and burning Sarah, an innocent woman. Hmm

Well, that isn't exactly what I said.

What I said in context is, essentially, why is it ok for Person A to torture Person B for crimes against Person C. But it's not ok for Person B to torture Person C.

i.e Prison guard (A) tortures Murderer (B) that tortured Victim (C) to death.

We're saying that Person B is wrong to torture, and Person A right to torture.

Because one of the. "deserves" it? Person A and Person B could both be convinced that their victim was derserving of that treatment.

When actually in fact NOBODY deserves to be tortured. Whether they're an innocent victim or the person that committed the crime.

However, I'm obviously wrong, because there's people on this thread thinking that it is an acceptable form of punishment if government sanctioned ....