Page 10 | Wayne Couzens experience in prison?

faithfulbird20 · 2021-10-01T11:08:27+00:00

Obviously I don't care how he gets treated but do you think other prisoners are going to give him a tough time especially since he's ex police and especially since what he did?

SuperstarDog · 01/10/2021 19:32

I wonder what could make some posters so concerned about the treatment of rapists and murderers in prison. You have to question it.

lolawasashowgirl · 01/10/2021 19:35

She hasn't - read her post again. You just don't want to listen to her view. Many of the posters on here have said that endorsing the torture and killing of Wayne Cousins in prison is morally reprehensible - they prefer to accept the rule of law. Wayne Cousins behaviour is also morally reprehensible. That's what the parallel is about. This is a discussion- you don't get to decide the outcome

Abraxan · 01/10/2021 19:36

@BakingOfTheFoodCats

I didn’t know the other prisoners make the food! In that case I imagine their will be all sorts in it 🤢

From my experience of working in prisons housing high risk, and being present in the kitchens when meals were being prepped and cooked, the meals are very closely monitored and watched by staff. The prisoners also don't know which meal is going to who, especially when going to the isolation/medical and other 'off wing' blocks. They don't even know if it is their own meal. That's organised by prison staff.

They simply can't target another specific prisoner's meal in this way, in my experience.

EspressoDoubleShot · 01/10/2021 19:37

@SuperstarDog

I wonder what could make some posters so concerned about the treatment of rapists and murderers in prison. You have to question it.

You have to question a belief in humane and fair treatment in the penal system? Why do you question it? It is how a liberal and humane society behaves. We have systems that manages dysfunction and that includes incarceration

lolawasashowgirl · 01/10/2021 19:38

Why don't you tell me what you think my motives are @SuperstarDog I'm all ears

Limejuiceandrum · 01/10/2021 19:38

@SuperstarDog
Because human rights are human rights

You want to go live in Latin America. Feel free. But in this country we have decided what justice and punishment is. And you have to live with it.

00100001 · 01/10/2021 19:38

@cricketmum84

How are you any different to him, if you're treating him inhumanely just as he treated Sarah inhumanely?

Because what poster are suggesting is EXACTLY the same as kidnapping an innocent woman off the streets. The fear she must have felt when she realised that 80 mile drive wasn't going to end in a visit to the police station, being handcuffed and knowing, KNOWING that this wasn't going to end in something she walks away from.

Being brutally raped. And then a belt around her throat until she died.

Fuck that actual fuck off all you absolute idiots sat high in your ivory towers talking to me about human rights. I am sick to death of the lot of you. Hating the man and wishing him dead does NOT lower me to his level. It shows the passion I feel about the punishment of every single man who treats a woman or girl like this. Whether it's Sarah, Milly Dowler, April Jones or my friend.

Men cannot continue to get away with this.

And we should not be expected to pay for their cushy prison comforts for the next 40-50 years. They are treated better than the homeless.

I'm not saying men should get away with it.

I'm saying that human beings shouldn't be fed shit...

cricketmum84 · 01/10/2021 19:44

@00100001

Why are you defending this monsters human rights?

SuperstarDog · 01/10/2021 19:44

You have to question a belief in humane and fair treatment in the penal system?
Why do you question it? It is how a liberal and humane society behaves. We have systems that manages dysfunction and that includes incarceration

And we have that system. What’s interesting is that so soon after the horrific details of this crime have come out, posters being upset, one poster describing a friends murder, that some posters can’t just accept that people are angry and are venting, especially on a mostly female site. We are worried about ourselves, our daughters, our sisters. Today is not the day for ramming this do gooder crap down people’s throats and I question why anyone would do that at the moment.
Prisoners are protected and are treated humanely, you have your wish. Now let people be angry.

Abraxan · 01/10/2021 19:45

Sentences are far too soft and evidently no deterrent to these abhorrent individuals

Congress where there is the death penalty - are there no crimes happening then, if it's just because our sentences are too soft?

Of course not!

Sentences aren't overly relevant to hardened criminals. They don't plan on being caught generally, therefore they don't care what the sentence is until the point they get convicted.

The death penalty costs an awful lot of money. You can't just kill someone because you want to. There are a lot of procedures to work through and it is very costly and ver time consuming. People remain on death row for years and years. It's often more costly than a standard life time prison sentence.

A modern forward thinking and civilised country is important. One which has a death penalty does not belong in that category, how we treat prisoners is often a good indicator to how we treat the rest of our population.

And tbh most people don't really know what it's like inside prison. Too many think it's a lovely cosy place, based on media like the Daily Mail. Having spent a few years working in such prisons - I can honestly say I would never want to spend even a night there. After a few years I didn't even want to work there any more and needed to move in.

00100001 · 01/10/2021 19:47

@cricketmum84

Also (sorry I'm on a rant now) how the fuck can hoping someone eats shit means you they are lowering themselves to a man who is capable of a despicable act like that!!

Get some fucking perspective.

Because...

Person A thinks that Person B deserves to be treated inhumanely because if some indiscretion on Person B's part.

Person A could be a rapist thinking that Person B deserved to be raped. Person A thinks they're justified and correct in their attitude and behaviours.

When is it OK to say that an another human being should be treated inhumanely?

When Person A is an outraged Mumsnetter and Person B deserves to eat shit?

I put it to you, as others, if your son was falsely accused and wrongfully convicted, and then imprisoned and was knowingly fed shit, because of the crimes he was accused of.... Would you still think it a great idea?

No.

I hope not anyway.

Limejuiceandrum · 01/10/2021 19:48

@SuperstarDog
Should be pretty obvious that mob mentality wether online or in real life are a bad thing. They create decision and hatred and it never ends up aimed at the people who deserve it. It just divides society,

But I guess that was what this thread was made for. There is probably someone behind it, with an algorithm deciding if they should put bring back death penalty into their political slogan for the next elections.

SuperstarDog · 01/10/2021 19:49

Why don't you tell me what you think my motives are @SuperstarDog I'm all ears

It’s alright ‘mate’, I’m sure you can work it out. I don’t think it’s your ears that are the issue here. 😇

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 01/10/2021 19:51

@lolawasashowgirl

She hasn't - read her post again. You just don't want to listen to her view. Many of the posters on here have said that endorsing the torture and killing of Wayne Cousins in prison is morally reprehensible - they prefer to accept the rule of law. Wayne Cousins behaviour is also morally reprehensible. That's what the parallel is about. This is a discussion- you don't get to decide the outcome

If you think there's a parallel between Couzens and people venting on the internet then you have got some seriously fucked up thinking going on. I mean sure, you're able to calmly post in favour of his human rights the day after reading about what he did to Sarah, I'm impressed by your self control ( giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you are not just completely lacking in empathy), but come on, that's fucking ridiculous.

lolawasashowgirl · 01/10/2021 19:51

Nobody is saying you can't be angry but many posters on this thread (and there are many despite what you may say to the contrary) find the way it's being expressed offensive and are responding with their own challenges. Apparently though only one opinion is allowed on this thread. Since when has it been acceptable for one woman to oppress the views of another?

lolawasashowgirl · 01/10/2021 19:53

@SuperstarDog because you don't know

SuperstarDog · 01/10/2021 19:53

Limejuiceandrum

I’m not seeing much division on this topic. In fact speaking to people today, it’s the most united I’ve seen people be lately. Most people agree this man is scum and have zero fucks to give about his treatment in prison and what’s in his food.

00100001 · 01/10/2021 19:54

[quote cricketmum84]@00100001

Why are you defending this monsters human rights? [/quote]
Because he's a human being.

His liberties have been taken away. That's his punishment. He will never see the world again. He will have no purpose. His life is restricted. He will be told what to eat, when to eat, when he wakes up, when he sleeps, when he showers. He will live with other dangerous individuals who may or may not hurt him.
That is our punishment system.

Not to fucking eat shit.

If we start dehumanising people and treating them this way...where does it end? Who decides who deserves to eat shit and who isn't "bad enough" for shit? What if someone worse comes along, should they get double helpings of shit? Why not just beat them daily, they deserve that too... Yep fuck it, let's have the prisoners rape each other.. that'll teach them a lesson.

Oh wait.... That person over there didn't actually murder his wife, but actually it was a terrible accident? Oh whoops sorry for all the shit eating, beatings and rape... But that's our justice system isn't it GREAT??

lolawasashowgirl · 01/10/2021 19:54

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow I believe in the justice system and the rule of law and nobody, especially somebody like you, is going to stop me from expressing my opinions

SuperstarDog · 01/10/2021 19:55

👨 🖐

EspressoDoubleShot · 01/10/2021 19:55

Prisoners are protected and are treated humanely, you have your wish. Now let people be angry I have not restricted anyone POV , I answered your direct question @SuperstarDog. I understand people feel angry and need to express that. However, on a discursive forum expect to read posts you don’t agree with, and to be challenged

lolawasashowgirl · 01/10/2021 19:55

SuperstarDog · 01/10/2021 19:56

However, on a discursive forum expect to read posts you don’t agree with, and to be challenged

Same. 🤷🏻‍♀️

00100001 · 01/10/2021 19:57

@SuperstarDog

I wonder what could make some posters so concerned about the treatment of rapists and murderers in prison. You have to question it.

I'm concerned about the treatment of human beings in prison.

You have to question anybody who thinks they're justified in making a person eat shit.

00100001 · 01/10/2021 20:00

@LuluJakey1

He should be locked up in solitary confinement with a blanket and no window, heating, hot water or tv for the rest of his life. No one should speak to him, no exercise, no social time.

But that's inhumane. Why? Because it's an abomination and against nature and seriously damaging.

There's no such thing as solitary confinement in the UK, thankfully. Segregation can only happen for 6 weeks.