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Policeman kicks 15 year old girl in the stomach

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GreekTragedy · 01/10/2021 09:58

I couldn't see a thread about this so thought I'd start one.

I am completely shocked at this video.

This "officer" came out of nowhere and did a flying kick to a young girl!!

Now I can understand police getting a it violent in the heat of the moment but this? This is outright disgusting.

That officer should be charged.

What the fuck has happened to our police force??

www.aol.co.uk/news/cop-fly-kicks-15-old-123400054.html

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Fangdango · 02/10/2021 00:42

Two seconds before he kicks her - would you be certain there's nothing in her right hand?

WormYourHonour · 02/10/2021 00:44

@Fangdango

Stretching to get to her fast I think

Eight seconds before he kicks her

A sit second before he kicks her to the floor.

She's just lost her shoe, as he kicks her, she's turned away from him, putting her shoe back on...

It's all on the video.
Mr Hero kicked a teenage girl that didn't even know he was there...
What a guy...

Fangdango · 02/10/2021 00:44

He runs in and kicks her away from his colleagues. He's on the back up team - just arrived.

WormYourHonour · 02/10/2021 00:46

@Fangdango

He runs in and kicks her away from his colleagues. He's on the back up team - just arrived.
Just arrived... As had the female officer, who didn't resort to kicking a child.
Fangdango · 02/10/2021 00:47

Not a kick to the stomach, and a fast run followed by a kick - not a fly kick. And I can see good reason for him to run in fast and kick to get her away fast.

No I don't think she's necessarily carrying anything, but he's had ten seconds to weigh that up. I wouldn't bet my colleague's life she hasn't. Police are allowed to kick in self defence. I take back my earlier statement. I'll be surprised if he's found to be at fault here.

Fangdango · 02/10/2021 00:54

@WormYourHonour

Fangdango

"He runs in and kicks her away from his colleagues. He's on the back up team - just arrived.

Just arrived... As had the female officer, who didn't resort to kicking a child."

No, because the child was standing to the side when she ran into the scene, not attacking anyone.

A few seconds later, she's poised to hit the policewoman on the head (with hand / weapon - how can he know?), and she's kicked away. I think that's justifiable.

Fangdango · 02/10/2021 01:17

00:44 WormYourHonour

"A sit second before he kicks her to the floor.

She's just lost her shoe, as he kicks her, she's turned away from him, putting her shoe back on...

It's all on the video.
Mr Hero kicked a teenage girl that didn't even know he was there...
What a guy.."

She hasn't stopped or changed direction. She's slipping her shoe back on as she goes. Should he stop and challenge her to a duel, or to get his colleagues out of possible danger from her aggression? He's just seem her run toward them to attack them.

He comes rushing in and stretches to kick her away. The threads on Sarah Everard talk about police women fearing that policemen will "leave them to get their heads kicked in". Should he just assume she's rushed onto the scene unarmed?

It's not a cause of mine - I am disgusted at lots of what we see from police. But I think this video's being viewed through the lens of everyone's horror at Sarah Everard's case, and I'm not sure it shows the random brutality many posts suggest.

I find it a bit clearer when I watch it on twitter - easier to pause and slow. And volume off!
twitter.com/i/status/1443294959189233664

Not saying they're all good cops by any means, not convinced he deserves to be condemned as a bad one. Respect and agree with the view that these girls shouldn't be punished with force by the police. Just don't think that's what happens here.

rawhidebone · 02/10/2021 01:35

@GiddyNorthernBird

It's like some posters see police officers as sub human and feel it's ok for them to be attacked as it's par for the course

I can’t see where anyone has said this? Nor can I see anyone condoning the girls’ behaviour. However, the police are trained to deal with these very situations and he could have dealt with this quite easily as has been pointed out many times. Assaulting a child is never right nor acceptable. He should be sacked and never allowed to work in a position of such power again.

Here are loads of posts excusing the girls behaviour seeing as you cannot read:

Total overkill if all it was was being in a pub at 15.

and called out for underage drinking? it looks overkill

The very small female had been drinking and trying to help a friend who was being manhandled

Yes, because we need protecting from 15 year old girls that have been drinking 20/20 from the local off license..
Won't somebody please protect us from the slightly tipsy teenage girls?

The underage girl who had been drinking, responds in a way people that have been drinking do..

They were underage at a pub. Hardly a life threatening situation

She wasn't even being particularly aggressive

I call that behaviour ill advised and silly, not aggressive or dangerous.

rawhidebone · 02/10/2021 01:40

And so I hope the cohort of posters would feel exactly the same way should girls who behave like this ever attack one of your DC in this way. I'm sure you would have integrity and still hold the same view about how non threatening etc these girls are being Hmm

telling · 02/10/2021 02:12

NC for this but I wanted to say it because I was too scared to report it.

I was grabbed in the street and thumped hard in the lower back from behind by a male police officer over 6 foot, when I was 23 weeks pregnant. The force of the blow made me fall over and wet myself. The guy's colleagues didn't react or believe me when I said he'd hit me. I was walking home 2 min from my house but the police had looked for me because I have autism and MH problems which were worse at the time.
I'll never get over it. I'm very lucky my baby was ok.

chaosrabbitland · 02/10/2021 07:26

[quote Gilead]@chaosrabbitland the crime rate in Singapore is much the same as the U.K. They tank 74 and 75 in international charts.[/quote]
and if you look at other charts , they are ranked well above us on everyhing to do with crime , in nationmaster the uk is up to 4 times more than them in some of the stats on violent crime , in others its even more higher ,its considered to be one of the most safest , law abiding countries in the world , you be hard pressed to find groups of youths smoking weed on benches like you do here , or litter flying about everywhere , the stuff in this country we consider the norm is just not seen over there ,
we are ranked 64 currently on internationl crime , singapore are way down below us at 113 , but i guess its easy to just have a quick google and quote the first one found with the figures that suit

its a country with the death penatly , severe prison sentances and flogging , its never going to be touching us on crime

ohfook · 02/10/2021 08:04

@hamstersarse

I would hate to be in the police. Especially now.

They have lost all respect and so people resist arrest and interfere with attempted arrests (like to girl kicked in this footage) which just puts everyone in more danger.

It is a partnership and people should be taught not to resist arrest. If they have a complaint, they can deal with it at the station and after the high emotion of the incident.

I can see it both ways.

I will not be teaching my daughter not to resist arrest by a solitary male police officer.
ohfourfoxache · 02/10/2021 08:05

Perhaps we need somewhere safe to independently report these things

There was one set up recently about schools (unfortunately used as somewhere to put something historic) - perhaps it’s time to expand this to other organisations?

Mothersister · 02/10/2021 08:32

@GreatPotato

Sigh. I thought we'd got beyond drunk 15yos are asking for it and started to realise that they're vulnerable children.
Meanwhile in the real world.
Mothersister · 02/10/2021 08:37

@Fangdango

Not a kick to the stomach, and a fast run followed by a kick - not a fly kick. And I can see good reason for him to run in fast and kick to get her away fast.

No I don't think she's necessarily carrying anything, but he's had ten seconds to weigh that up. I wouldn't bet my colleague's life she hasn't. Police are allowed to kick in self defence. I take back my earlier statement. I'll be surprised if he's found to be at fault here.

Couldn’t agree more. The mass hysteria is ridiculous. The shoulda woulda coulda squad at their finest, watching a video with no idea of what went on before and with no context.
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/10/2021 09:48

@rawhidebone

And so I hope the cohort of posters would feel exactly the same way should girls who behave like this ever attack one of your DC in this way. I'm sure you would have integrity and still hold the same view about how non threatening etc these girls are being Hmm
And where is the post saying that its ok for a police officer to be attacked?

There isn’t one in your list of examples

And i know people are struggling with this but the vast majority of posters are Just saying that a trained police officer shouldn’t be resorting to kicking…which is NOT how they are trained to deal with these situations

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/10/2021 09:50

No hysteria either 😀

Leibham · 02/10/2021 10:15

@telling

So sorry to hear that, how awful for you 💐

Sadly this kind of male aggression towards women is done because they know they can get away with it and would have the full sympathy of idiots if they were to say you provoked them or were a threat to them.

WormYourHonour · 02/10/2021 10:24

@rawhidebone

And so I hope the cohort of posters would feel exactly the same way should girls who behave like this ever attack one of your DC in this way. I'm sure you would have integrity and still hold the same view about how non threatening etc these girls are being Hmm
I hope the many posters saying the cop did nothing wrong react the same way when their kids get kicked by a full grown man I military boots.

You say the cop did the right thing?
What if it was a teacher? Could kids having a scrap, head teacher Wade's in and boots one of them to the floor.

What if it was security guard in Tesco? Kids looking a bit dodgy, sitting about in a threatening manner.. security man boots one to the ground.. best not get yourself marching to Tesco to complain.

What about just some random man? Drunk girls prowling the neighbourhood after tea time, looking to score some dry shampoo, be warned, they might use colourful language at anyone they see..
Dave from No32 comes out in his military fatigues and riot shield, dodges the thrown insults and the girls camera flash as they take selfies for snapchat and he kicks your kid to the ground and awaits cheers from the fearful neighbours timidly looking out of the window..

I guarantee you'd not be happy with the kicker, even if he did claim he was just stretching his leg...

Alcemeg · 02/10/2021 10:42

When I look at the video I see it as a very efficient way of stopping someone being a potentially dangerous idiot. It's not like he then kicks her again, or yells abuse at her.

It's not the ideal approach, but it was an effective way of dealing with a 15-year old child who is not at all acting like a 15-year-old child. It's probably no more harmful than a rugby tackle.

I'm not a police apologist, I just don't share the outrage at this particular video. Nor do I see her as being kicked in the stomach.

thecatsthecats · 02/10/2021 11:18

@Alcemeg

When I look at the video I see it as a very efficient way of stopping someone being a potentially dangerous idiot. It's not like he then kicks her again, or yells abuse at her.

It's not the ideal approach, but it was an effective way of dealing with a 15-year old child who is not at all acting like a 15-year-old child. It's probably no more harmful than a rugby tackle.

I'm not a police apologist, I just don't share the outrage at this particular video. Nor do I see her as being kicked in the stomach.

Of all the things to prioritise in the circumstances though, is "efficiency" most important?

It's not a machine producing widgets.

It's a servant of the state conducting an arrest.

They need to prioritise the safety of potential victims. Their own safety. The safety of the aggressors. They need to not escalate the situation - e.g. What if the cameraman had come to her aid and joined in the fight? They need to uphold the image of the police so that other officers can do their job without being considered dangerous to the public - note, the cameraman is in plain sight. They need to uphold the law.

"Efficiency" comes below ALL of those things, as it should.

It would have been a spilt second shorter for him to reach out to pin her arms behind her, or interposed his body between her and the others. A kick - however you describe it - is a reckless, escalating move.

DameFanny · 02/10/2021 12:33

So now we have not just police-apologists, desperate to find reasons why kicking a child in the stomach against all training is ok, but a poster suggesting we bring back hanging and flogging to reduce littering on the street.

Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Raise your standards, find your humanity.

rawhidebone · 02/10/2021 14:10

I hope the many posters saying the cop did nothing wrong react the same way when their kids get kicked by a full grown man I military boots.

Yep. If that were one of my DC in the video I would quite honestly have no issue with the response from the police.

ILoveJamaica · 02/10/2021 14:53

Just watched it again on the twitter link. The girl who got kicked had hold of the female Officers arm. It's impossible to see whether she has a weapon in her right hand. 15 or not, she's fully grown and could easily pass for an adult. It's pointless trying to make out like this girl is some 6 year old innocent bystander. She's fully grown, clearly looks over 18 (or she would not have been served in the pub), and she's grappling with an Officer. She got kicked off. And rightly so.

ILoveJamaica · 02/10/2021 14:59

And she's not even kicked in the stomach. It's just above her buttock. Thread title is very misleading. At one point the girl on the ground has possession of the Officers cuffs. This is no joke. Like I said before, Officers do not want to arrest people. These girls will have been asked to go home several times. Not only didn't they do that, at some point they've kicked off. Stop making excuses for appalling behaviour, just because they are 15.