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Policeman kicks 15 year old girl in the stomach

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GreekTragedy · 01/10/2021 09:58

I couldn't see a thread about this so thought I'd start one.

I am completely shocked at this video.

This "officer" came out of nowhere and did a flying kick to a young girl!!

Now I can understand police getting a it violent in the heat of the moment but this? This is outright disgusting.

That officer should be charged.

What the fuck has happened to our police force??

www.aol.co.uk/news/cop-fly-kicks-15-old-123400054.html

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MLMbotsno · 01/10/2021 17:37

Dexter Hanna 41 year old male filming said the girls were putting on more of a show when he started filming

Grizzlydog · 01/10/2021 17:41

He had no idea what she had in her hand especially if the first officer had asked for urgent assistance. It appears he didn't kick her as hard as he could in a place where it would cause the least injury to get her off he's colleagues and see if she had anything on her. I think he made a good call, in America she'd be dead.

TheWeeDonkey · 01/10/2021 17:46

[quote MrsRobbieHart]@JasonMomoasgirlfriend your determination here is interesting.[/quote]
Its probably a normal Friday night for them.

TheWeeDonkey · 01/10/2021 17:49

@ohfourfoxache

It’s not a question of hating the police

It’s about expecting reasonable standards

I'd say Its the opposite of hating the police. We expect certain standard from the people we trust to uphold the law. Officers like this damage the reputation of the whole police force. As offensive as the video is, if it wasn't filmed it would be his word against hers.
RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 17:52

@Pumperthepumper

But there are more than a few good apples. There really are. I can only hope that as the dinosaurs retire off and more women and BME officers begin to move through the ranks we will move towards the many meaningful changes that are needed

Or, instead of just hanging about hoping it changes eventually, why don’t we start now?

Tighter checks on police activity. Any misdemeanour, regardless of how small, checked, processed and subject to disciplinary. Regular, unannounced internet search checks, phones checked, WhatsApp groups checked, drink and drugs testing weekly. Much, much higher visibility, much higher accountability.

Because they’re not quick checks. Not at all. Downloading a phone is a really intrusive procedure and generates a massive amount of material. Currently you are looking at a six month turnaround in our force for a phone because there’s is such a back log. Imagine if you started doing officers phones. That’s before you get into legal/privacy issues.

Spot drug testing does happen weekly in many forces. Alcohol isn’t feasible.

I don’t think it’s the solution. Maybe I should start a separate thread on my experiences and then we could discuss it there? Don’t know if anyone is interested though!

Oh and to answer your other question if I saw someone using disproportionate violence I would put a stop to it and report it. No questions on that one. Anyone who wouldn’t shouldn’t be in the job.

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 18:00

@RIPIgglePiggle I honestly think you should, I’m sure people would have loads of ideas.

I don’t see why the time of it is an issue. It would take ages, that’s just too bad. Still worth doing. I also don’t see why alcohol checks aren’t feasible, and spot drug testing should be happening everywhere, all of the time.

chaosrabbitland · 01/10/2021 18:09

@MrsRobbieHart

all we are seeing is a short clip , its not really clear what happened , apart from those two muppets one resisting arrest and the other one trying to attack the arresting officer

I’m not sure how that is relevant to my comment that he should have followed his training, and the law. Can you explain?

what is his training , thats hes supposed to wrestle about with her for ages to stop her attacking him , i think no matter what he did there would be saps on here condeming him , if hed tased her it would be brutality , if hed forced her to the ground it would be brutality ,

if our police were armed , like most of those in germany , france and many other worldwide countries they wouldnt have to arse about trying to subdue people like these risking injury to themselves . its interesting really nobody gives a shit if these two girls had seriously hurt those officers , but because he kicked her to get her away from the other officer everyones up in arms

chaosrabbitland · 01/10/2021 18:10

@Grizzlydog

He had no idea what she had in her hand especially if the first officer had asked for urgent assistance. It appears he didn't kick her as hard as he could in a place where it would cause the least injury to get her off he's colleagues and see if she had anything on her. I think he made a good call, in America she'd be dead.
this , couldnt agree more
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/10/2021 18:12

if hed forced her to the ground it would be brutality

Most people aren’t commenting on the other police man…just the one kicking

MrsRobbieHart · 01/10/2021 18:12

Not really much point trying to find logic in any of your posts @chaosrabbitland so I’ll leave it there.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/10/2021 18:12

@MrsRobbieHart

Not really much point trying to find logic in any of your posts *@chaosrabbitland* so I’ll leave it there.
Well ive made an attempt 😀
MrsRobbieHart · 01/10/2021 18:12

if hed forced her to the ground it would be brutality

He did force her to the ground.

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 18:13

@chaosrabbitland he could have de-escalated it?

Is that the choice at police training - kick in the stomach or tazer?

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 18:15

[quote Pumperthepumper]@RIPIgglePiggle I honestly think you should, I’m sure people would have loads of ideas.

I don’t see why the time of it is an issue. It would take ages, that’s just too bad. Still worth doing. I also don’t see why alcohol checks aren’t feasible, and spot drug testing should be happening everywhere, all of the time.[/quote]
Because it’s legal to drink alcohol.

It’s obviously not legal to be drunk on duty but it’s not difficult to spot when someone is drunk. I have seen colleagues arrested for coming in drunk from the night before.

The timing of it is an issue because it would add to an already massive backlog if you started randomly checking police officers phones. Then the time it takes to go through the material generated is massive. Often we use key word searches but what you’re suggesting is look at everything. Then what is it you are looking for? Phones are extremely personal. For example my male boss having a scroll through my private messages and photos to my partner??? Not sure that would solve the misogyny issue Hmm Are you looking for things that are illegal or things that are immoral like affairs or nicking paper clips?? Also legally you can’t take a phone unless someone isn’t arrested. Honestly would I let my boss read my private messages at any given time no absolutely not. They’re none of his businesses

Practically it’s nightmare and I think it creates more problems than it solves. However if a police officer is suspected of a crime then we absolutely take all their devices.

You know whether someone is trustworthy or not. We are police officers it’s our job to know!! Wayne Couzens was nicknamed the rapist. What does that tell you about how trustworthy he was. I’d put money on it the issues are going to come out to be poor vetting (cars missed) and cultural issues in the department he was in of not reporting concerns about him.

I’ve got loads of ideas. The issue is getting the top
brass to listen to me Angry

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 18:19

@RIPIgglePiggle what does it tell you about how trustworthy his colleagues were?

The police have had too much public trust. So yes, I’d say, if you want to be in the police with the powers they are given, you can’t drink alcohol. You submit your phone, pictures of your partner and all. You lose the privacy, that’s the trade off for the level of power you’re given.

arcof · 01/10/2021 18:23

I've obviously been in the Us too long as that looks like reasonable force to me

MrsRobbieHart · 01/10/2021 18:23

I don’t think checking all police phones is possible or practical at all. Far better to provide easily accessible and anonymous avenues for officers to report any and all concerns and establishing a culture of reporting inappropriate conduct whether it’s to a colleague, a service user or just on a WhatsApp group. And then back it the fuck up by actually investigating and properly dealing with it. Whether that be disciplinary action or criminal proceedings.

Alcemeg · 01/10/2021 18:28

I think the idea of examining everyone's internet searches to find out whether they're a creep is one of those impossible dreams. To do it properly you'd need billions of staff with unlimited time, and anyone with something dodgy to hide would have no trouble hiding it.

Such an intervention belongs in the "nice but crazy" category, along with my vague fantasy that violent criminals should drink daily ayahuasca in solitary confinement, so they become fully aware of the infinite moral dimensions of what they've done.

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 18:29

[quote Pumperthepumper]@RIPIgglePiggle what does it tell you about how trustworthy his colleagues were?

The police have had too much public trust. So yes, I’d say, if you want to be in the police with the powers they are given, you can’t drink alcohol. You submit your phone, pictures of your partner and all. You lose the privacy, that’s the trade off for the level of power you’re given.[/quote]
Yes that that too! That’s will be investigated and I think several are now already under investigation. I’d love to see a really comprehensive investigation of the culture in the departments he worked in but I don’t think the IOPC are up to that I’m afraid.

That’s not realistic though. You are saying that I can’t be a police officer because I drink alcohol and I’m not willing for my private messages and photos to be read unless I’ve done something wrong. Trust me I have colleagues who would love for their private photos and messages to be read. Guess what they’re men! And they’re not the kind of men who will be driving forward the sort of change we need in policing.

The police does need to change I agree . But I’m afraid I can’t get on board with this one

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 18:32

@RIPIgglePiggle so how do we make sure nothing like this happens again, what’s your thoughts?

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 18:32

@MrsRobbieHart

I don’t think checking all police phones is possible or practical at all. Far better to provide easily accessible and anonymous avenues for officers to report any and all concerns and establishing a culture of reporting inappropriate conduct whether it’s to a colleague, a service user or just on a WhatsApp group. And then back it the fuck up by actually investigating and properly dealing with it. Whether that be disciplinary action or criminal proceedings.
It exists! Trust me it’s easy to report misconduct. Never been easier. It’s a cultural issue all day long that some people still are not.

You’ve got to remember as well there are 43 forces in the UK for some bizarre reason who all do their own thing. You’ll find some are really professional and others it’s like going back in time. Just because the met is the biggest force doesn’t make it the best. In fact it’s actually quite poor in performance overall.

Unsure33 · 01/10/2021 18:33

Unfortunately our police have to deal with idiots like this all the time and never know if they have knives either. Surely it should not be relevant if male or female ? Why resist arrest and try and then attack the officer as well.

I don’t think he aimed for her stomach he was just trying to get her off his colleague .

It’s right he is being investigated and probably retrained but if that was my daughter I would be mortified.

SpindleWhirl · 01/10/2021 18:39

Unfortunately women have to deal with police officers like this all the time and never know if they're going to be lied to, assaulted or lied about.

ILoveJamaica · 01/10/2021 18:42

@chaosrabbitland he could have de-escalated it?

This will have been tried, believe you me. Those girls will have been asked repeatedly to go home, before things escalated. You don't see any of that, because it's not shown in the film.

mbosnz · 01/10/2021 18:43

@RIPIgglePiggle, you keep saying 'trust me'. That's the problem. There's far too many very good reasons, just from this one case alone, not even looking at far too many others, that too many people now, particularly vulnerable people, people of colour, women, people with mental and physical challenges, don't feel they can. And that's not them being hysterical. It's because of the huge betrayal of trust, of abuse of power.

This has provided a critical injury to the trust required for policing by consent to function. It's going to take major surgery for it to survive.