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Policeman kicks 15 year old girl in the stomach

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GreekTragedy · 01/10/2021 09:58

I couldn't see a thread about this so thought I'd start one.

I am completely shocked at this video.

This "officer" came out of nowhere and did a flying kick to a young girl!!

Now I can understand police getting a it violent in the heat of the moment but this? This is outright disgusting.

That officer should be charged.

What the fuck has happened to our police force??

www.aol.co.uk/news/cop-fly-kicks-15-old-123400054.html

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Dddccc · 01/10/2021 16:23

Ok let's break this down

  1. Girl 1 is resisting arrest girl 2 is pulling at them both
Police 1 is trying to arrest girl one and she is fighting and girl 2 keeps attacking Police 1 flagged down, second female police on scene rushes to help police 1 while girl 2 grabs police 2, police 3 just parked out car see 2 officers down and girl 2 grabbing at his partner, he rushes in and kicks her in the hip away from the other 2. girl 2 then continuing attacking police 3, at the angle he ran in he could not see the persons hands and it was quicker to kick her out the way then try and wrestle with her putting the others in more harm and those saying she is tiny, she is the same size as the 1st police officer 🙄
RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 16:25

[quote Pumperthepumper]@RIPIgglePiggle to prove you’re trustworthy. Would you do it?[/quote]
If my boss wants to browse through my mumsnet posts and late night shopping he’s welcome to. I’m sure it would bore him to tears. Not sure it would prove I am trustworthy. I could be really boring on the internet and still be a rubbish police officer.

If you are meaning the mistakes made in the vetting of Wayne Couzens then they didn’t need to look at ‘search history’. The flags were there but they missed them. I think this needs to be in a post of its own though really as it’s a completely different subject. There’s so much to say about this case and the repercussions and I don’t want to derail this thread

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:28

@RIPIgglePiggle great! I could also hand over my search history to my employer, they too would be bored by it.

So maybe that’s something we could introduce as a basic police standard check?

HalzTangz · 01/10/2021 16:34

After watching the video, she deserved it. She was repeatedly pulling and clawing at an officer trying to make an arrest, then tried the same when another officer appeared.

It looked more like a shove type kick than a kick, and looked like it was her legs not stomach. Might teach her not to attack police when they are trying to control a situation

HalzTangz · 01/10/2021 16:37

Whether she's drunk or not, that is no excuse for her behaviour

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 16:37

@TooBigForMyBoots

I have no doubt there a few good apples *@RIPIgglePiggle*. However that doesnt mean that the police force is not systemically racist and sexist.
Oh yes but I would also say that most organisations are systemically racist and sexist. Look at the death in childbirth rates of BME women in the NHS, the gender pay gap. The police is a reflection of the society we live in. Don’t get me wrong there are many changes we need to make. MANY. I don’t think our leadership really even fully grasp what they are either. Sarah Everards death is just one case that throws up a myriad of issues that I could talk about all day. There are so many more. The home office don’t have a clue either.

But there are more than a few good apples. There really are. I can only hope that as the dinosaurs retire off and more women and BME
officers begin to move through the ranks we will move towards the many meaningful changes that are needed

GreatPotato · 01/10/2021 16:38

@HalzTangz

Whether she's drunk or not, that is no excuse for her behaviour
No one said her behaviour is excused. They've just said a trained police officer should be able to restrain a child without kicking them.
martingrowler · 01/10/2021 16:39

Teachers aren't allowed to use force like this and successfully control and de escalate situations like this all the time. My dd is in a PRU and they are trained to manage those situations with zero violence. In fact they rarely even make contact with the child.

These were small, pissed, poorly dressed young girls. The level of force was totally disproportionate and unnecessary.

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:43

@HalzTangz

After watching the video, she deserved it. She was repeatedly pulling and clawing at an officer trying to make an arrest, then tried the same when another officer appeared.

It looked more like a shove type kick than a kick, and looked like it was her legs not stomach. Might teach her not to attack police when they are trying to control a situation

She didn’t deserve it though. She definitely did not deserve to be kicked in the stomach by a police officer who is trained in restraint training. And neither do you.
RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 16:45

[quote Pumperthepumper]@RIPIgglePiggle great! I could also hand over my search history to my employer, they too would be bored by it.

So maybe that’s something we could introduce as a basic police standard check?[/quote]
The thing is what you’re suggesting isn’t feasible. That’s why I said I don’t want to be derailing this thread which isn’t really about vetting. What do you mean by search history. Search history of what, for how long, how many devices. I’ve got a pile of old phones in my house, all of those?? Are you talking about initially vetting or random
handover of all devices? Is that communications too? Emails, texts etc. This is enormous amounts of material. You can fill rooms with the storage content of one iPhone alone. Are you aware we are supposed to be recruiting 20,000 officers???? ( don’t get me started on that please)

Anyone up to anything truly disgusting on the internet is using a VPN anyway.

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:47

But there are more than a few good apples. There really are. I can only hope that as the dinosaurs retire off and more women and BME officers begin to move through the ranks we will move towards the many meaningful changes that are needed

Or, instead of just hanging about hoping it changes eventually, why don’t we start now?

Tighter checks on police activity. Any misdemeanour, regardless of how small, checked, processed and subject to disciplinary. Regular, unannounced internet search checks, phones checked, WhatsApp groups checked, drink and drugs testing weekly. Much, much higher visibility, much higher accountability.

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:50

The thing is what you’re suggesting isn’t feasible. That’s why I said I don’t want to be derailing this thread which isn’t really about vetting. What do you mean by search history. Search history of what, for how long, how many devices. I’ve got a pile of old phones in my house, all of those?? Are you talking about initially vetting or random
handover of all devices? Is that communications too? Emails, texts etc. This is enormous amounts of material. You can fill rooms with the storage content of one iPhone alone. Are you aware we are supposed to be recruiting 20,000 officers???? ( don’t get me started on that please)

Anyone up to anything truly disgusting on the internet is using a VPN anyway.

That’s exactly what I mean - every so often, without warning, someone checks your phone. You have to hand over your private phone too. Anyone who knows you’ve dropped below the standard expected of you and does nothing is also sacked.

Yes, a handover of all devices. All communication. Why not? That’s a fairly basic search programme, that could be done relatively easily. And once that initial check is done, random testing.

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 16:54

[quote ohfourfoxache]@RIPIgglePiggle sorry to pick on you but your response was really interesting

I know you have said that it seems like there is a case to answer with regards to the kicking cop; do you think that his use of force was excessive?

If you saw a colleague doing the same, what would you do?

I’m so sorry to single you out here but I’m trying to get my head around what I’ve just seen[/quote]
Yes on initial viewing it doesn’t look great does it. If I was working professional standards it would be an investigation for me. I can’t say where it would go because there is no context here. You would gather CCTV, any available bodycam footage interview witnesses and then the officer involved. Then you firstly consider can you prove there was an assault enough to prosecute.

If the answer to that is no then officers are then often investigated on our own internal standard. If it is found on the balance of probabilities they have acted improperly they can be sacked or disciplined as appropriate.

No not at all. Honestly I’m happy to talk about it.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/10/2021 17:05

Ive got no real issue with the first cop…it is very hard to restrain someone while trying not to hurt them

I do have an issue with cop number 3

CandyLeBonBon · 01/10/2021 17:17

@HalzTangz

After watching the video, she deserved it. She was repeatedly pulling and clawing at an officer trying to make an arrest, then tried the same when another officer appeared.

It looked more like a shove type kick than a kick, and looked like it was her legs not stomach. Might teach her not to attack police when they are trying to control a situation

So what you're saying is she made him do it? Is that right?
MrsRobbieHart · 01/10/2021 17:22

After watching the video, she deserved it. She was repeatedly pulling and clawing at an officer trying to make an arrest, then tried the same when another officer appeared.

No, she deserved to be arrested. She didn’t deserve to be assaulted prior to her arrest, by the very person who would then be taking her away in handcuffs.

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 17:27

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Ive got no real issue with the first cop…it is very hard to restrain someone while trying not to hurt them

I do have an issue with cop number 3

Sorry to clarify I’m only talking about the kick because that is what the thread is about.
chaosrabbitland · 01/10/2021 17:28

the girls were both behaving like idiots , if they had just been compliant instead of attacking and pulling away at the restraining officer i doubt anything like this would have occured ,

as porfre has rightly said she was trying to go for the officer and he put her down , as shes also said correctly they would have been getting dealt with even more harshly for this shit in other countries like united states for example .

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/10/2021 17:29

Sorry to clarify I’m only talking about the kick because that is what the thread is about

Oh no sorry…that wasn’t directed at you at all, I’d seen someone mention it up thread

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/10/2021 17:31

as porfre has rightly said she was trying to go for the officer and he put her down , as shes also said correctly they would have been getting dealt with even more harshly for this shit in other countries like united states for example

Yes…but we live here

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/10/2021 17:31

Posts like ‘they would be treated worse in the USA’ are a complete waste of time

MrsRobbieHart · 01/10/2021 17:32

the girls were both behaving like idiots , if they had just been compliant instead of attacking and pulling away at the restraining officer i doubt anything like this would have occured

Or if the officer had followed his training, and the law this wouldn’t have happened.

chaosrabbitland · 01/10/2021 17:35

@MrsRobbieHart

the girls were both behaving like idiots , if they had just been compliant instead of attacking and pulling away at the restraining officer i doubt anything like this would have occured

Or if the officer had followed his training, and the law this wouldn’t have happened.

all we are seeing is a short clip , its not really clear what happened , apart from those two muppets one resisting arrest and the other one trying to attack the arresting officer ,
MrsRobbieHart · 01/10/2021 17:35

A PP claimed the two arriving officers will have had no context given regarding their colleagues call for assistance as he will simply have pushed a red button. (I happen to think he had already called for assistance prior to the fall onto the ground) If that were the case then Mr Big Kick had no idea whether the girl he was attacking with his feet was drunk, or mentally unwell, or had learning difficulties or ASD. The correct response for any of those btw is go follow your training, not your prejudices.

MrsRobbieHart · 01/10/2021 17:36

all we are seeing is a short clip , its not really clear what happened , apart from those two muppets one resisting arrest and the other one trying to attack the arresting officer

I’m not sure how that is relevant to my comment that he should have followed his training, and the law. Can you explain?