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Policeman kicks 15 year old girl in the stomach

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GreekTragedy · 01/10/2021 09:58

I couldn't see a thread about this so thought I'd start one.

I am completely shocked at this video.

This "officer" came out of nowhere and did a flying kick to a young girl!!

Now I can understand police getting a it violent in the heat of the moment but this? This is outright disgusting.

That officer should be charged.

What the fuck has happened to our police force??

www.aol.co.uk/news/cop-fly-kicks-15-old-123400054.html

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KatherineJaneway · 01/10/2021 16:02

What context are you struggling with?

The lack of context in this case. It is a snapshot of a few minutes in time, not the whole story.

If you can think of some extreme combination of circumstances that provides context for the flying kick to be acceptable@KatherineJaneway, I'm sure one of the police cheerleaders will be on to tell us it absolutely happened

Where did I say what he did was acceptable? What I said was there is no context. Maybe last time they met (if they ever did) she drew a knife on him, maybe he is a vindictive man who knew her from another situation and took the opportunity to hurt her out of pure spite.

So much projection on this thread.

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 16:03

[quote MrsRobbieHart]@ILoveJamaica how many people did you kick whilst on duty during your 5 years in the force?[/quote]
I’ve kicked plenty of people during arrests! More than I can count I think. Sadly I’ve also had to restrain and arrest children. Where I have had to use force (sometimes this is the only option and sadly it’s always possible to try to diffuse a situation first although it’s always a consideration) I try to use appropriate force for the situation and the size, strength of the person I am faced with. That is in a nutshell what we are all taught. Reasonable, justifiable, proportionate, necessary.

There is no ‘banned’ use of force as such. It’s about what is right in the circumstances you find yourself in (and your perception of the situation)

It looks like there is certainly a case to be investigated here in respect of the girl who was kicked. The other girl probably not so much. It’s actually hard work trying to restrain teenage girls whilst trying not to hurt them in my experience. Restraining someone always looks horrible, especially when it’s a child because it’s not very nice and you try not to do it unless you really have to. Unless there were no grounds for arrest in the first place which no one here can know so that’s just speculation. I think someone said they were being arrested for underage drinking which is nonsense. It’s a crime to serve a child. The child doesn’t commit an offence by drinking the alcohol.

Not every use of force is right. Sometimes misjudgements are made… sometimes it’s clearly not an error of judgment it’s an assault and officers are prosecuted and/or sacked. The police in this country are held to account firstly by their own professional standards department or in more serious matters by an independent body.

Jackofallsorts · 01/10/2021 16:03

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Feelslikealot · 01/10/2021 16:03

Why do you need context though? That suggests given the right circumstances, what he did might have been understandable or ok.

SpikeyFloof · 01/10/2021 16:06

Excellent commentary by the camera man.

DameFanny · 01/10/2021 16:08

When people ask for context on a flagrant offense like this, they usually mean 'tell me something that means I don't have to feel bad for the victim'

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:08

@KatherineJaneway

What context are you struggling with?

The lack of context in this case. It is a snapshot of a few minutes in time, not the whole story.

If you can think of some extreme combination of circumstances that provides context for the flying kick to be acceptable@KatherineJaneway, I'm sure one of the police cheerleaders will be on to tell us it absolutely happened

Where did I say what he did was acceptable? What I said was there is no context. Maybe last time they met (if they ever did) she drew a knife on him, maybe he is a vindictive man who knew her from another situation and took the opportunity to hurt her out of pure spite.

So much projection on this thread.

What difference does any of that make? He’s a police officer and he kicked her in the stomach.

So what if she’d drawn a knife on him previously?

DameFanny · 01/10/2021 16:08

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Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:08

@Jackofallsorts

Good on him. Completely proportionate and measured way of stopping her interfering and unreasonable behaviour to a law officer carrying out his job. We need more cops like this.
You’re in luck! We’ve got loads of cops like this!
ducksalive · 01/10/2021 16:09

We might need context to identify an appropriate sentence following a conviction. But an assault is an assault.

I worked with adults with challenging behaviors for several, adults likely to physically assault others.
Not once did a member of staff respond with violence when assaulted.
They would lose their job if they did.
The same is true of teachers, nurses or many others.
Why should we expect less of police officers?

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 16:09

@TooBigForMyBoots

The context is a misogynist, racist police force who cover up brutality at the hands of their officers.
I’m not a misogynist or a racist thanks. I’ve spent years specialising in child protection and domestic abuse helping mostly women and girls. I do a good job, I care deeply about it and I’ve made a real difference to people’s lives.

This incident has been referred to an independent body for investigation. He faces prosecution or the sack if he cannot justify his use of force. Where is the cover up?

KatherineJaneway · 01/10/2021 16:10

@Feelslikealot

Why do you need context though? That suggests given the right circumstances, what he did might have been understandable or ok.
No it doesn't.

Maybe he wanted some petty revenge against her hence him using such force. Maybe she had stabbed him before, hence the force.

All this is is a few minutes of video with no context of why it was happening.

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:11

@RIPIgglePiggle ever grassed in one of your own colleagues? Would you hand your internet search history over to you boss right now?

KatherineJaneway · 01/10/2021 16:12

What difference does any of that make? He’s a police officer and he kicked her in the stomach.

So what if she’d drawn a knife on him previously?

If you can't figure that out then there is no help I can give you.

StoatMilk · 01/10/2021 16:12

@ohfourfoxache

If an individual is unable to control themselves during the course of a “bad day” then they shouldn’t be doing the job. Simples.

Can you imagine teachers thumping kids in class? Or nurses battering patients?

We all have bad days, but that does not excuse behaving like a thug in a uniform

Well said
TooBigForMyBoots · 01/10/2021 16:13

I have no doubt there a few good apples @RIPIgglePiggle. However that doesnt mean that the police force is not systemically racist and sexist.

Feelslikealot · 01/10/2021 16:15

*Maybe he wanted some petty revenge against her hence him using such force. Maybe she had stabbed him before, hence the force.
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I don't understand why this would make any difference to what we have all seen happen - a police officer kicking a child to the floor. If she stabbed him before (i mean... What the fuck? where's that come from? Although i suppose what if she's fly kicked him before, and he's getting his own back?) Then she hasn't got a knife in her hand in that video so i would say he's not at imminent risk of being stabbed this time.

RIPIgglePiggle · 01/10/2021 16:15

[quote Pumperthepumper]@RIPIgglePiggle ever grassed in one of your own colleagues? Would you hand your internet search history over to you boss right now?[/quote]
Why on earth would my boss want my internet search history?

Yes I have ‘grassed’ in a colleague thank you. As I said not many people are cut out for this job and if you are not cut out for it then you’re dangerous.

That’s a particularly horrible turn of phrase though. I prefer to think of it as having some integrity.

DameFanny · 01/10/2021 16:15

@RIPIgglePiggle she wasn't calling you misogynist or racist, she was saying the police force is. The cover up is everywhere you look. The cover up is the police officer already known as "the rapist" who committed a murder using his badge and handcuffs to control his victim.

Until you accept - really take in - that policing will always be attractive to men who want to abuse their power over people they see as lesser, you cannot screen for those applicants, or properly respond to incidents like this in a way that sends a proper message to the other abusers waiting their chance.

Not screening police applicants for misogyny or racism is like not screening baggage handlers for Isis sympathies.

Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:15

@KatherineJaneway

What difference does any of that make? He’s a police officer and he kicked her in the stomach.

So what if she’d drawn a knife on him previously?

If you can't figure that out then there is no help I can give you.

You’re going to have to, I’m afraid. If she’d drawn a knife on him previously, what then? What’s your point?
Pumperthepumper · 01/10/2021 16:16

@RIPIgglePiggle to prove you’re trustworthy. Would you do it?

ohfourfoxache · 01/10/2021 16:16

@RIPIgglePiggle sorry to pick on you but your response was really interesting

I know you have said that it seems like there is a case to answer with regards to the kicking cop; do you think that his use of force was excessive?

If you saw a colleague doing the same, what would you do?

I’m so sorry to single you out here but I’m trying to get my head around what I’ve just seen

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/10/2021 16:17

Nor do the few good apples mean that police officers dont cover for eachother. This case was filmed which makes a cover up more tricky. Had it not been filmed I doubt anything would have been done.

DameFanny · 01/10/2021 16:19

Fuck "good apples", just fuck that whole thing. The saying is it only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel and guess what, that's what's happened.

GreatPotato · 01/10/2021 16:20

Sigh. I thought we'd got beyond drunk 15yos are asking for it and started to realise that they're vulnerable children.