Sarah Everard thread 2

[HangingOver]

Keep venting.

Original thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4362028-Anyone-follow-the-coverage-of-the-Sarah-Everard-case-today-and-want-to-vent?pg=1

I just watched this on sky news.
Absolute psychopath.

Even though he tried to make up a story about handing her over to a Romanian gang, he still shows zero remorse.
She was a commodity to him.

@Zilla1

I wonder in whose interest was a guilty plea? That murderer couldn't have received a harsher sentence though there will presumably be lots that now remains unexamined.

And that's who the guilty plea benefits.

Him.

He doesn't need to explain, doesn't need to speak a word in court. He can sit there like a coward with his head hung avoiding eye contact.

He's robbed a family of their daughter, their sister. And hasn't had to speak a word.

I think it should be mandatory that even if you submit a guilty plea, you need to try and explain your actions from the dock.

@EvilPea

I was talking to someone earlier who is fairly high up in the met. The general feeling there is of disgust. The man is hated by anyone they talk to and is considered the lowest of the low for dragging all police down with him.

Disgust-what with themselves for condoning his demeanour around female colleagues & calling him "the rapist"?

i don't understand this. If there was true disgust then he wouldn't have been a police officer
Because people didn’t know he was capable of this.
The person I know doesn’t know him, so can’t speak for the nickname. However, it’s the same as anyone in a position of trust. They don’t start out saying “this is what I’m going to do” on the application form.

@EvilPea

i don't understand this. If there was true disgust then he wouldn't have been a police officer Because people didn’t know he was capable of this. The person I know doesn’t know him, so can’t speak for the nickname. However, it’s the same as anyone in a position of trust. They don’t start out saying “this is what I’m going to do” on the application form.

Pretty fucking obvious from his previous actions though isn't it?

I agree. Met is culpable. He existed in a culture in which he could just get away with it. So his actions escalated. He was an absolute tool - pathetically stupid - and he still believed he could get away with it. Because he already had gotten away with a lot.

@EvilPea

i don't understand this. If there was true disgust then he wouldn't have been a police officer Because people didn’t know he was capable of this. The person I know doesn’t know him, so can’t speak for the nickname. However, it’s the same as anyone in a position of trust. They don’t start out saying “this is what I’m going to do” on the application form.

His nickname was the rapist. He was known to like violent sexual abuse material. He exposed his penis multiple times. What he was capable of was oozing out of him like a very bad smell and his colleagues at the met saw it as a joke.

@EvilPea

i don't understand this. If there was true disgust then he wouldn't have been a police officer Because people didn’t know he was capable of this. The person I know doesn’t know him, so can’t speak for the nickname. However, it’s the same as anyone in a position of trust. They don’t start out saying “this is what I’m going to do” on the application form.

Oh please.

What about the colleagues that thought it was hilarious to nickname him “The Rapist” which was entirely appropriate in their place of work. What does your friend think about them?

How about the fact he was accused of indecent exposure THREE times, managed to keep his job and wasn’t even investigated.

How about the culture in the workplace of accepting a colleague openly talking about violent porn and using steroids.

It’s an institutional problem. The culture of the Met certainly (and almost certainly other forces) is rot through with misogyny.

I mentioned on the other thread that my DH is an ex policeman. He never wanted to socialise with his colleagues and I always used to wonder why. He plainly says that there’s people there that shouldn’t be and the culture of the police service is toxic. He’s not the only one either.

Pretty fucking obvious from his previous actions though isn't it?

His nickname was the rapist. He was known to like violent sexual abuse material. He exposed his penis multiple times. What he was capable of was oozing out of him like a very bad smell and his colleagues at the met saw it as a joke.

Exactly this.

@EvilPea

I was talking to someone earlier who is fairly high up in the met. The general feeling there is of disgust. The man is hated by anyone they talk to and is considered the lowest of the low for dragging all police down with him.

Your contact is a twat and complicit.

@oatmilk4breakfast

I agree. Met is culpable. He existed in a culture in which he could just get away with it. So his actions escalated. He was an absolute tool - pathetically stupid - and he still believed he could get away with it. Because he already had gotten away with a lot.

Yep.

In other "Met Police Behaving Appallingly" recent news, Kate Wilson, an activist who was deceived into a relationship with an undercover police officer, has just won a tribunal case for breaches of her human rights.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-58749590

@EvilPea

I was talking to someone earlier who is fairly high up in the met. The general feeling there is of disgust. The man is hated by anyone they talk to and is considered the lowest of the low for dragging all police down with him.

Well that is all fine and dandy, then. They are disgusted with him because he has harmed their reputation and so they are distancing themselves. Where was this disgust in 2015?

Why is the first response of this "high up"Met person not about admitting some responsibility for what happened to Sarah?

@ElFire

I think when there is a clear sadistic sexual element to a murder such as this, the offender’s penis should be viewed as a weapon of war. He should not be left to relive his crimes for sexual pleasure and should be chemically castrated. I would never vouch for capital punishment, but positing the penis as a weapon which should be removed in the same way a firearm should be removed would be a a game changer in framing rape and sexually motivated murder as totally unacceptable.

Good idea. That phrase "weapon of war" puts an interesting slant on things.

Trouble is, chemical castration would only be possible to control and monitor whilst in prison, and would not be practical once rapists are released, as they'd likely not self medicate. So maybe permanent castration would be a better option (but some would be quick to say this would be abuse of their human rights, even though we are talking about sadistic monsters here).

However, it’s the same as anyone in a position of trust. They don’t start out saying “this is what I’m going to do” on the application form.

His nickname didn’t come from nowhere. They knew.

I’ve been so angry about this, especially the last 24 hours. Sarah could have been any one of us. Or our sisters, daughters or mothers. I hope that piece of shit bent bastard rots, and I hope they don’t put him in a protective jail. Let the general prison populace deal with him - hopefully somewhere where he’s put away the very criminals who can now turn those tables on him. Bent coppers are the lowest of the low - worse than the criminals they “protect” us from.

And that’s not just this scummy prick either - the “lads” at the Met who thought a nickname like “the rapist” was hilarious…. They should all be bought to book and thrown out the force but of course nothing will happen, “lessons will be learnt “, blah blah blah…. Fuck off.

How can we, as women, ever trust the police fully again? Knowing that one of their own was flashing his cock to women yet wasn’t even investigated, and his behaviour allowed to escalate to the point he was given his special nickname??

That bastard is a psycho and a sick fucker who deserves everything that comes to him, and the police in general should be looking very internally right now and feeling utter my ashamed that men like this are even allowed near the uniform. Apologies for the swears but this whole situation has me incandescent with utter rage because what’s going to change??

We call it out when we can. We try our best. But no one is interested. More pressing matters like making sure the correct pronouns are used instead of paying attention to women in trouble or need. The misogyny needs rooting out and dealt with… but of course, we know that it won’t be.

Fuckers. And don’t anyone come at me with the NAMALT bollocks either - that’s obvious. But for every man who doesn’t challenge misogynistic behaviour, he lets ten men Carry on unchallenged to belittle, assault, rape and murder some poor female.

White men, the most privileged people on earth, will never get it as a collective

I totally agree that The Met are complicit through their total failure to act on all the massive red flags WC was exhibiting. I believe criminal behaviour analysts refer to it as “leakage” - relatively “minor” incidents (not saying indecent exposure is minor, I’m referring to his general demeanour that led to female colleagues feeling uncomfortable around him) that betray the underlying feelings.

Not sure how her score on the psychopathy test, probably pretty high I’m guessing.

My other concern is that he was a firearms officer. Surely to goodness those officers are held to an even higher standard than your average bobby, with regular mental health checks?! If not, why not? If so then they’re not bloody working!

@5BlackDoors

Bloody hell there is an interview on BBC right now with a male commentator who is saying everything we women are aways saying. This is the repsonsibility of men to sort themselves and their mysogynstics mates out, not the responsibility of women to change their own behaviours. That mysogyny is deep rooted and rife and it has to change.

Just said, former chief prosecutor of england. I missed his name sadly. It was a proper conversation, no platitudes. Like being on a MN thread.

Whenever I hear a man who gets it (very rare) and speaks up about it publicly, I could weep with joy.

@Caffeinefirst

I know it won’t achieve much but I’m going to ask to see my M.P. I want to understand what is going on in police forces that a man who has been reported twice for indecent exposure has been allowed to continue in his job and not even been subject to any sort of suspension and investigation. On the day he was reported for the indecent exposure at the drive through McDonalds why was he not suspended there and then? On the same day they knew about it? And there was the previous incident in 2015.

That seems like a good idea. The more pressure that women put on MPs and other people in power, the more likely it is that something might be done.

There is talk of a public inquiry taking place - hopefully that will bring much more to light about the reasons why this monster was able to behave in the misogynist way he did, yet remain in the police force, with no disciplinary action against him. He had to commit murder before there were any consequences to his behaviour. He must have felt untouchable.

David Challan is another one who gets it, understandably given his family history.

@MrsRobbieHart

However, it’s the same as anyone in a position of trust. They don’t start out saying “this is what I’m going to do” on the application form.

His nickname didn’t come from nowhere. They knew.

And still thought he was acceptable as a person to be in their force & a representative of them.

Absolutely beggars belief.

Sadly, I'm not surprised that a serving officer has used his position to commit such heinous crimes.

@StewPots

Well said. I feel utter despair and sadness mixed with full on rage. You have articulated what I want to say exactly.

Just imagine if you worked as a doctor and one of your colleagues had the nickname “the granny killer” or a teacher with the nickname “the pedo”.

It’s just would not happen. Yet a police officer well known as “the rapist”? Hilarious.

@ohfourfoxache

Does anyone have any ideas about what we can actually do?

Obviously it’s “good” news that this utter bastard is locked away (may his life be tortuous) but violence against women and children continues

What can we actively “do”?

It read the rest of the thread so may have been suggested already

But I am buying a ring doorbell and looking into dashcam. It MAY save someone one day and it MAY help solve a crime. Also, the sheer number of cameras must act as a deterrent at some point

If we all did that it may help?

@UrbanRambler
Just a quick note to say that i worked in healthcare and indeed chemical castration is possible in prison and community. When i was involved i administered a long lasting injection and it was a condition of parole. Case was a high risk paedophile who voluntarily requested chemical castration in order to be released- I am pretty sure it couldnt be given without consent but would be interesting if any lawyers on here could confirm or correct this?