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Previously undecided voters would you vote for Starmer's Labour now?

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VinylQueen · 30/09/2021 10:06

Are there any previously Tory voters or undecided voters who would now consider voting Labour in a GE based on Kier Starmer's speech and him taking on the far left of the party?

I vote Labour anyway but I'm interested if any of his speech "cut through" as they say. To my eyes the main heckler just came across like a complete loony and made Kier Starmer's stance look even more sensible.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 30/09/2021 12:00

Undecided, still.

Not wildly impressed by the speech or delivery.
Have to say one thing that really struck a chord with me though, was the description of Johnson as a “trivial” man. Whoever wrote that, absolutely spot on.

Will continue to watch and listen with interest.

MsFogi · 30/09/2021 12:03

@Alekto

No thank you.
This!
Andante57 · 30/09/2021 12:04

I bet Boris Johnson keeps his to half an hour. 90 minutes was ridiculous

AnnelovesGilbert yes it’s the sort of thing one would’ve expected from Erich Honecker.

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averylongtimeago · 30/09/2021 12:06

As Labour no longer recognise women as real humans, then I can't vote for them.

As a lifelong Labour voter I am politically homeless.

starfish4 · 30/09/2021 12:09

Floater here who'd love to have faith in a strong alternative - no I wouldn't vote labour right now.

reesewithoutaspoon · 30/09/2021 12:12

Nope. Lifelong labour here but cannot bring myself to vote for labour as its obvious they care nothing for womens rights.
I would spoil my ballot in an election (with xx) as even a tory vote wouldnt shift labour from my area, so its only option I have as a protest.

MichelleScarn · 30/09/2021 12:16

@Alekto

No thank you.
Wholeheartedly this. Absolutely no to this Labour Party.
Franklin12 · 30/09/2021 12:17

If Labour came out and backtracked on their stance on women. I wonder if they would get more votes? I really think they would. Admit they were wrong and that women need protection. Not allow men to self ID and then choose to use any space they like? He told Kay Burley on Sky the reason the speech was so long was due to the standing ovations. I bet Boris will make his speech far more punchy and avoid the 1.5 hours (with standing ovations of course!)

JUST WHY??

Yet, they will continue to do what they do, maybe get a new leader in Burnham but I still believe they will lose the next election. They have had nearly 2 years to change and Starmer is no Blair. He comes across as decent enough but not a leader. He has other skills.

Whatstheweatherlike · 30/09/2021 12:18

Another lifelong Labour voter here who feels politically homeless Sad
I am a woman and bloody proud to call myself one. Having overcome discrimination and faced challenges due to my biology I really, really resent being called a 'person with a cervix'. I can't believe such a fundamental issue is even up for discussion, let alone coming to the forefront of political debate.
Angela Rayner is an abysmal public speaker too, I think she's damaging to the party. How you can think it's OK to call people scum I'll never know. She absolutely does not represent me as a Northern working class woman who has worked her way up.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/09/2021 12:19

Andante57

I bet Boris Johnson keeps his to half an hour.”

Expect so.
Not much he can say, really, is there, as a person who famously refuses to deliver bad news?

LeonardLikesThisPost · 30/09/2021 12:21

@VeryLongBeeeeep

I'm a lifelong Labour voter but I can't vote for any party who doesn't know, or pretends not to know, what 51% of the population is.
This is what it comes down to for me, too.

I've always voted Labour, including in the most recent election, but I've been so gobsmacked by how utterly craven they've shown themselves to be. Nobody with any intelligence doesn't know what a woman is and what a man is, so with MP after MP lining up to bluster and squirm over the subject, they are either liars or cowards or both. And I can't vote for that.

HaroldMeeker · 30/09/2021 12:21

Not a chance. Nobody gets my x till they respect my sex. Genuinely politically homeless, and bloody furious about it too.

Franklin12 · 30/09/2021 12:22

Is there anyone who thinks that Starmer can win if he carries on like this? Boris has a common touch with people - what ever it is he has it.

People have given photos of Stamrer and some dont know who he is.

I suspect everyone knows Boris!

Boris is flawed though and I wonder if that is what people are drawn to. The scruffy appearance rather than a smooth operator.

HermioneWeasley · 30/09/2021 12:24

Ha, ha, ha,ha! Are you joking?

I’m a floating voter in a marginal constituency.

Absolutely not. I think the current government are corrupt and incompetent and I STILL wouldn’t vote Labour

BakewellTarter · 30/09/2021 12:26

@hanahsaunt

I am a floating voter and rarely vote for the same party two elections in a row. Were an election called tomorrow, based on what has been said by Keir Starmer and others over the course of the conference week I would absolutely not vote Labour at the moment (having voted happily for Labour on previous occasions). I care nothing for his speech until he can and his MPs can understand human biology.

This also describes me

DameCelia · 30/09/2021 12:26

Don't respect my sex ? You don't get my X.

MapleMay11 · 30/09/2021 12:29

His speech and the rest of the Labour party conference have reinforced there is no chance of Labour getting my vote any time in the near future.

Hyperion100 · 30/09/2021 12:31

If you have previously voted labour but dont like starmer and wont vote for him...with the FPTP electoral system we have, you are enabling another term under the tories.

EdgeOfACoin · 30/09/2021 12:34

Given everything Labour politicians have said about women in the last week? Not a chance.

ohfourfoxache · 30/09/2021 12:35

Yes

But only because the Tories are a slightly bigger bunch of cunts

PronounssheRa · 30/09/2021 12:36

@Hyperion100

If you have previously voted labour but dont like starmer and wont vote for him...with the FPTP electoral system we have, you are enabling another term under the tories.
And that is on the Labour Party, not me

Starmer isn't the issue, Labour position on women's rights is

Auroreforet · 30/09/2021 12:37

@Hyperion100

If you have previously voted labour but dont like starmer and wont vote for him...with the FPTP electoral system we have, you are enabling another term under the tories.
I think you'll find the Labour Party are enabling the Tories.
LovelyLovelyWarmCoffee · 30/09/2021 12:39

I care nothing for his speech until he can and his MPs can understand human biology
This, non negotiable.

flowerycurtain · 30/09/2021 12:40

No. Because of their stance on women.

VeryLongBeeeeep · 30/09/2021 12:40

@Hyperion100

If you have previously voted labour but dont like starmer and wont vote for him...with the FPTP electoral system we have, you are enabling another term under the tories.
I know. And I'm very unhappy about that.

I want Labour to be standing up to the Tories on public services, healthcare, disability provision, tackling poverty etc etc. Instead they're pissing about with identity politics, which may seem trivial compared to the rise of food banks and thousands dying while the DWP refuses them PIP, but women having their rights dismantled in law is absolutely fundamental. If men are allowed to self-ID as women then those same women who are disproportionately affected by Tory austerity will be the ones most affected by single-sex spaces such as prisons, rape crises centres, DV shelters effectively being abolished, to an even greater extent than they already are. If 'woman' doesn't mean anything, how can any party expect to allocate appropriate healthcare spending, set policies to address sex inequalities, record crimes accurately, and so it goes on and on. This isn't just about not wanting to pee in the next cubicle to a TW.

I am from a WC background and my DH is disabled, I know all about how shit life can be under the Tories and I will not vote for them. But neither will I vote for any party who thinks women are just a feeling in a man's head and are not worthy of basic respect and rights as fully fledged human beings with our own needs.