Gabby Petito

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Is anyone else following this news story?

Fucking hell I hope she is found. So many things about the timeline don't add up.

I remember the Police joking with my H when he told them 'how much I nagged him'. They told him to 'stay away for the night pal, let her calm down'. (this was after I'd spoken to Women's Aid via my GP who held a clinic in practice once a month - they'd alerted the Police).
He came back the next day. It was worse because I had 'told on him'.
I was physically disabled with two kids under 5 at the time (1 < 18m).

The support isn't always easily available sadly. RIP Gabby x

Yes we should want this publicised we should want it to be focussed on because it is clear that has different choices be made by Police she could have been saved

All cases should because all our important but realistically not all can. This one has captured the public attention and as such should be used to shine a huge spotlight on how DV victims and abusers can be treated

A major factor is that most people don’t realise how insidious coercive control is. How the perpetrator gets into the mind of the victim to make them totally reliant on them and to make them doubt their own sanity.

Currently the US has no coercive control laws, despite it being a massive red flag in cases of domestic abuse, sexual abuse and murder.

A key point will be to look at this guy’s relationship history - I’ll bet anything there are previous girlfriends who found him controlling, or at the very least that he had demonstrated controlling behaviours towards Gabby previously. The whole “he just snapped” scenario is incredibly rare, there is always escalation.

@Sd352

For the poster that said Sabina Nessa’s case is all over everywhere, I live in the same borough as her and not seen a great deal of coverage (a BBC article, some discussion on local groups) while discussion of the Gabby Petito case is everywhere. The two are not comparable though, in terms of what gets media attention, but both horrific.

Agree with this. I also live in the same borough and only heard about it last night.

I had no idea about the married couple killed nearby. That’s horrific too

The married couple who were murdered in the same area apparently messaged friends about a strange man hanging around near them.

One of the married couple also worked in a grocery store - Gabby and Brian were seen near the same grocery store involved in a heated argument which prompted someone to call the police.

Linked? Or coincidence?

@TorySteller

The married couple who were murdered in the same area apparently messaged friends about a strange man hanging around near them.

One of the married couple also worked in a grocery store - Gabby and Brian were seen near the same grocery store involved in a heated argument which prompted someone to call the police.

Linked? Or coincidence?

Not linked at all apparently 🙄

I personally feel like it's definitely linked, and I would put money on it that it was Brian too.

@TorySteller

The married couple who were murdered in the same area apparently messaged friends about a strange man hanging around near them.

One of the married couple also worked in a grocery store - Gabby and Brian were seen near the same grocery store involved in a heated argument which prompted someone to call the police.

Linked? Or coincidence?

And if it turns out Gabby was shot, it has to have been Brian who killed the couple too

Currently the US has no coercive control laws, despite it being a massive red flag in cases of domestic abuse, sexual abuse and murder.

UK has coercive control laws but mostly worthless. Many places including some domestic abuse organisations don't understand or care. Postcode lottery if you get one who understands or cares. Sometimes you can't access any domestic abuse support at all cos some domestic abuse places like one near me only help if recent physical violence. They don't give a shit if long history of violence and ongoing coercive control. Some wonderful kind domestic abuse organisations but some very bad people with some of them. Some not bad people just not good at job not trained maybe but some very nasty. Is lottery if woman gets help in UK.

I've been nearly killed physical violence. That was only thing lots of them care about. Now not had physical violence for a while. Still at risk of being killed but the organisations some of them dismiss it as you lying if no violence recently. They make out you lying about the control or they believe you but just don't care.

Many of them don't give a shit about coercive control and psychological abuse. Councils the worse but lots are very bad anyway for lots of domestic violence victims. Some good kind ones but many behave abusively and lie and gaslight.

Councils break the law left right and centre when domestic violence victims try to get help. They get away with it cos not enough people care and cos victims we seen as worthless. They confident when breaking laws, they do it in writing with paper trail. They get away with it cos they know vulnerable victim can't follow throu complaint. Too dangerous when there's a violent man abusing you.

Nothing will change cos laws pointless when not enforced.

And if it turns out Gabby was shot, it has to have been Brian who killed the couple too

Given the level of gun crime in the USA, that is seriously jumping to conclusions. We don't yet know for sure that Laundrie killed Petito, although it seems likely. Even if he shot her, it doesn't automatically mean he murdered this couple. Yes, it would be suspicious but a long way short of conclusive.

If he did though surely he would have used the same gun so ballistics would match. If he did own a gun it would be fairly easy to match it

That said I would be surprised if Gabby were shot - I am sure he killed her but I think it would be a different method. I can see that he shot the couple though. Different methodologies would make sense here given the different relationships he had to the victims.

@Quartz2208

If he did though surely he would have used the same gun so ballistics would match. If he did own a gun it would be fairly easy to match it

That said I would be surprised if Gabby were shot - I am sure he killed her but I think it would be a different method. I can see that he shot the couple though. Different methodologies would make sense here given the different relationships he had to the victims.

Yes, if Gabby was shot and it was the same gun, whilst that still falls short of proof beyond reasonable doubt, it would be very strong evidence that he killed both.

Clearly the possibility of a link must be investigated but it must be approached with an open mind. The fact they happened in the same area at about the same time suggests a link but doesn't prove it.

I imagine there is a lot of evidence they are not saying and wouldn’t say anyway particularly when he is still missing
Can’t see him having shot Gabby though

@nosafeguardingadults

Currently the US has no coercive control laws, despite it being a massive red flag in cases of domestic abuse, sexual abuse and murder.

UK has coercive control laws but mostly worthless. Many places including some domestic abuse organisations don't understand or care. Postcode lottery if you get one who understands or cares. Sometimes you can't access any domestic abuse support at all cos some domestic abuse places like one near me only help if recent physical violence. They don't give a shit if long history of violence and ongoing coercive control. Some wonderful kind domestic abuse organisations but some very bad people with some of them. Some not bad people just not good at job not trained maybe but some very nasty. Is lottery if woman gets help in UK.

I've been nearly killed physical violence. That was only thing lots of them care about. Now not had physical violence for a while. Still at risk of being killed but the organisations some of them dismiss it as you lying if no violence recently. They make out you lying about the control or they believe you but just don't care.

Many of them don't give a shit about coercive control and psychological abuse. Councils the worse but lots are very bad anyway for lots of domestic violence victims. Some good kind ones but many behave abusively and lie and gaslight.

Councils break the law left right and centre when domestic violence victims try to get help. They get away with it cos not enough people care and cos victims we seen as worthless. They confident when breaking laws, they do it in writing with paper trail. They get away with it cos they know vulnerable victim can't follow throu complaint. Too dangerous when there's a violent man abusing you.

Nothing will change cos laws pointless when not enforced.

Yes, yes to all of this.

My relative had a case go to the CPS which was majority coersive control. It was rejected months later and nothing happened. Laws are pointless until there is the will and resources to prosecute. The general public may look at the situation in the UK and think we've made major steps forward and that victims will be protected. Nothing could be further from the truth.

@Quartz2208

I imagine there is a lot of evidence they are not saying and wouldn’t say anyway particularly when he is still missing Can’t see him having shot Gabby though

Why? It's the US. They aren't exactly short of guns there.

@knittingaddict because he is still alive. Mass shootings involving a partner and others more often than not end with with suicide. I could be wrong of course and I dont want to speculate (as I speculate)

I'm not certain, but it seems many violent men strangle or batter to death.

There is a very interesting episode on the Real Crime Profile podcast about this case. It's called "Gabby Petito: Deconstructing the Body Cam Footage".

www.realcrimeprofile.com/

It's available on many streaming services.

[quote Quartz2208]@knittingaddict because he is still alive. Mass shootings involving a partner and others more often than not end with with suicide. I could be wrong of course and I dont want to speculate (as I speculate)[/quote]
I thought the theory might be that Brian Laudrie was the killer of the two women and then he killed his girlfriend Gabby. I certainly wouldn't think it was a serial killer who killed all 3 women. Is that the theory?

Ignore me, just made sense of your post. Not everyone who goes on a spree would kill themselves straight away, although he may well be dead now.

I'm not promoting any theory by the way and the only thing I do think is that BK killed Gabby.

@prh47bridge

And if it turns out Gabby was shot, it has to have been Brian who killed the couple too

Given the level of gun crime in the USA, that is seriously jumping to conclusions. We don't yet know for sure that Laundrie killed Petito, although it seems likely. Even if he shot her, it doesn't automatically mean he murdered this couple. Yes, it would be suspicious but a long way short of conclusive.

I know it's jumping to conclusions, but it's all just shocking. Maybe I should have said 'I wouldn't be surprised if he killed the two women too'. But I would bet on it.

Sorry that should read:

that BL killed Gabby.

I think it’s a bit of a reach to say it’s likely he killed the other two women. Homicide rates are very high in the States, it’s more than likely just coincidence that they occurred near each other in my opinion.

They have issued an arrest warrant for Brian now.