Gabby Petito

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Is anyone else following this news story?

Fucking hell I hope she is found. So many things about the timeline don't add up.

[quote mrschocolatte]@Orangejuicemarathoner Apologies. I should have been more selective. Let me rectify it.

”no mystery, nothing to speculate on”

That doesn’t sound cold and callous to you?[/quote]
Or you could quote the next paragraph from the post you have selectively quoted:

And yet, from my perspective, Sabina Nessa is all over everywhere, and I had never heard of Gabby Petito until I opened this thread.

Or a bit later in that post:

Two young women gone and their families destroyed

Puts a somewhat different slant on it, doesn't it.

No, Orangejuicemarathoner was not being cold and callous. She was simply offering an explanation as to why the Gabby Petito case is getting more press coverage than the Sabina Nessa case.

@NuffSaidSam

I think the chances of her being found alive are nil.

I think the chances that the boyfriend is innocent are also nil.

My first thoughts unfortunately

Oh perhaps I should have read the whole thread. I am an idiot. And also 😔

Just to add, there was a double murder days before when Brian and Kylen drove through Moab. This could now be linked
thecinemaholic.com/kylen-schulte-and-crystal-turner/

[quote mrschocolatte]@Orangejuicemarathoner Apologies. I should have been more selective. Let me rectify it.

”no mystery, nothing to speculate on”

That doesn’t sound cold and callous to you?[/quote]
But part of the reason GP gained so much traction is because what happened was a mystery. People online had a wealth of footage to look through for clues, reporting on a murder is different to reporting on a missing person because engagement is needed to help find them.

Of course racial bias does play a part in investigations and the media, but the comparison isn't the same in this case. Also seems a bit odd for some to be seemingly annoyed at the coverage rather than aspiring for everyone to get more coverage.

Also plenty of white, pretty, young women go missing everyday in america and no one is arsed if that makes anyone feel any better about the perceived injustice.

[quote Donutdisaster]Just to add, there was a double murder days before when Brian and Kylen drove through Moab. This could now be linked
thecinemaholic.com/kylen-schulte-and-crystal-turner/[/quote]
How close in proximity were the two sets of people?

Horrific.

@YNK

This needs to be a catalyst for change so no young woman is delivered by police into the hands of a controlling man ever again.

RIP Gabby, you were badly failed.

I’ve not watched all the body cam footage, but I thought the officer was gentle and decent with both of them, he wasn’t blaming or accusing even when Gabby said she’d slapped Brian and he separated them ‘for the sake of them both’ and said the relationship was ‘toxic’.

I’m not sure I see that as failing as such?

@fuzzymoomin

It's sad that she's been found deceased of course, but I'm increasingly irritated by the amount of coverage and conversation this is getting, I can only assume it's because she's young, white, pretty. There was a woman missing and later found murdered in London over the weekend, it's pretty much dropped off the news already.

The media loves a young white blonde victim that’s for sure. It’s certainly tragic but you’re right, so many other young women going missing and being murdered gets no coverage.

Yes I agree - it's all over social media yet I had to go searching for the story of Sabina Nessa which hasn't come up on any of my social media yet Gabby Petito is everywhere.

[quote Donutdisaster]Just to add, there was a double murder days before when Brian and Kylen drove through Moab. This could now be linked
thecinemaholic.com/kylen-schulte-and-crystal-turner/[/quote]
I read that there was some suspicion that Brian thought they called 999 on him.

I have been following it-it is fascinating and the trail-includinding the horrific interview she had with police when ppl called in to report a fight-it was him hitting and pushing her but apparently she hit back to defend herself and the police dealt with her as though she was the aggressor. She was obviously too afraid to say he hit her. It is so awful to watch he terror.

It is also getting a lot of attention because it was a you tuber that found her van which helped then find her body and it seems as though the police have not been "at their best" as they didn't take Brian in for questioning-he took an attorney and refused to cooperate whilst she was still missing leaving her parents in agony.

Now it seems as though his parents were stalling and have given him a head start to escape when the police thought that he was at their house.

Tantalising clues-wether he is slipping up or he is taunting but his instagram went live for a couple of seconds which ppl screen shotted-showing him on a boat. Either a red herring so police continue to search in wrong place or mistake or a man on the run.

Either way it is captivating and people want him to see justice.

It's getting lots of coverage because there's so much material - that 1.5 hour video from the police, the van parked up, her blog etc. Lots for the news outlets to use. It's not because her race makes her more interesting.

I think the reason this story is getting so much more attention than some others, is that it is sickening to have a young DV victim delivered to the hands of her killer by the police.

The way he is treated and spoken to by police is appalling. That poor girl never stood a chance.

@Derbee agree 100%.

A (small) woman clearly upset and sobbing whilst "boyfriend" laughs with police and fist bumps them and bonds over toxic women whilst she sobs and shakes is terrible to watch.
Her poor Mother seeing that!!!!

Apparently the 999 call handler did not convey to the police that Brian was the aggressor-hitting and pushing her and the police approached it as he was the victim-and despite the obvious scenario in front of them never asked her if she was ok.

Gut wrenching

Really tragic story. It does feel like everything is pointing to her BF as the killer.

For the poster that said Sabina Nessa’s case is all over everywhere, I live in the same borough as her and not seen a great deal of coverage (a BBC article, some discussion on local groups) while discussion of the Gabby Petito case is everywhere. The two are not comparable though, in terms of what gets media attention, but both horrific.

I read in one article that she said she was ‘scared of being abandoned’. This could have meant in an attachment sense or a literal sense.

I wonder if he drove off and left her and she she died as a result? Which I guess would make a murder one charge harder to make stick, would be murder two/manslaughter I think.

I expect the autopsy will make it clearer if she was murdered or died of exposure or something. Although it might be hard to tell at this stage.

The Real Crime Profile podcast has looked at this case, they dropped an episode last night.

One of the presenters, Laura Richards, is a criminal behaviour analyst and expert in DV, stalking, coercive control, etc.

This is the episode summary:

On August 12, 2021, Gabrielle Petito and Brian Laundrie were pulled over outside of Moab, Utah.The police officer, whose body cam was on, initially stopped their van for speeding and reckless driving.He realized Gabby was distraught and tried to establish what had happened and why Gabby was so upset. He was soon joined by another officer who had been responding to a possible domestic violence call in town where a witness said he saw a couple driving away in a white van, with a woman named Gabby.What happens next on the body cam footage is disturbing to watch. Jim and Laura breakdown the behavior of Gabby, Brian and the officers in that 1 hour and 17 minute tape and discuss the police interaction and other intervention opportunities and strategies that should have been considered. What these officers desperately needed was the DASH risk assessment tool, that Laura created, so they could have asked the most important questions, and really understood Gabby's answers.
DASH Risk Model
www.dashriskchecklist.co.uk
www.laurarichards.co.uk/deep-diving-coercive-control/

Link to episode- podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/real-crime-profile/id1081244497?i=1000536206545

Agree a DASH would have been helpful, I use it at work.

Sometimes though victims are so gaslighted into believing the abusers narrative that they’re to blame that they play down/minimise massively. I feel like this would have been the case here, although hard to say of course.

@JudyGemstone

I read in one article that she said she was ‘scared of being abandoned’. This could have meant in an attachment sense or a literal sense.

I wonder if he drove off and left her and she she died as a result? Which I guess would make a murder one charge harder to make stick, would be murder two/manslaughter I think.

I expect the autopsy will make it clearer if she was murdered or died of exposure or something. Although it might be hard to tell at this stage.

The coroner has already said it was homicide.

My take on it is Gabbys is playing out in real time, with people being able to "play" detective as it takes its tragic turn, with tapes and footage appearing on social media. As well as plenty of discussion and home columbos working on it.

You could pretty much get away with anything in the UK at the moment and it not hit the news very much, theres been the murder of that poor woman, her children and one of their friends and that poor teacher. They've all barely had any coverage as theres just national issue after national issue at the moment (well for the past 2 years). Its a bit like the government fuck ups, they soon get swept under the carpet because theres another fuck up to talk about.

Gabby Petito is playing out live on social media so thats why its getting the attention.

@Window1 Yes, that's the one, it's awful how little attention she has got.

My heart goes out to her family. I hope they find the piece of shit boyfriend before he ends it himself and let him rot in prison.

@Orangejuicemarathoner

This case is of two people in the public eye, internationally known
But it's not, that's the point. Yes, they shared their lives on social media, but a few weeks ago they had a few thousand followers (which, gruesomely, has now rapidly grown despite the obvious likely outcome). That's hardly in the public eye and were not internationally known except by those followers. Now they are internationally known because of the media coverage of this crime.

Sabina Nessa's case is completely different, a man has already been arrested for murder, neither of them a public personality, no mystery, nothing to speculate on
Except if you were following the same principle, you might have speculated on where she was during the time she was missing, you might speculate on who the arrested man is, whether they knew each other or not, how she was killed. You're not wondering about her because she hasn't had the same media attention. I would make assumptions that the circumstances of her death will turn out to be very similar to the higher profile media story, just, without the attention.

Your perception is totally skewed by your own biases and experiences.
As, it obviously seems, is yours!
I think you've made a false assumption about what my biases and experiences are.

You see this again and again with domestic abuse and domestic murders. Women taking at least part of the blame on themselves, women depressed and on medication, relationships being described as volatile. In fact these cases are usually women who have been gaslit into thinking it's their fault, they end on on anti depressants because abuse messes with their heads and makes them desperately unhappy and sometimes women will strike back to protect themselves. None of this makes it her fault.

In the OJ Simpson case Nicole Brown wrote messages to OJ aplogising for being volatile and causing OJ to be abusive. I think that says it all.

The police acted appallingly in this case and more training is needed to make police everywhere respond to cases like this more appropriately. The research and knowledge is out there and easy to find, but it seems the will to educate themselves is missing.

My sympathies are with Gabby Pertito and her family. What a tragedy.