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How do we help improve DS's work ethic??

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WorkEthicFail · 27/07/2021 16:14

Name changed for this because it is so personal to DS. T-rex in the supermarket/ making a chicken last a month etc.

DS is nearly 11. He is lovely- funny, bright, popular at school and a general pleasure to be with, but... he's SO work avoidant.

He goes to a lovely prep school where the focus is totally on effort not results and on being a decent person. His latest school report basically says he is doing the bare minimum. We already knew this based on his attitude to homework and his thoughts about school. His results are still ok- average to above- but he could clearly do much better if he tried. He's got entrance tests for his next school coming up and he'll do whatever he can to avoid doing any practice for them.

He does a sport which he's doing really well in- been selected for a regional and national junior squad. However, this is largely because we turn up to the training with him and he's been very lucky to have superb coaching right from day 1 so he is technically good. He doesn't want to do any fitness work at home, doesn't think for himself about what he needs to work on, doesn't want to watch the sport being played at the Olympics.

DH and I both work hard- full time jobs at a senior level and we've both voluntarily taken on extra qualifications which he's seen us do the work for, so he does have hard-working role models.

We've removed his phone (which he had because he walks to school by himself), access to youtube and gaming because we thought they were just so appealing and instantly gratifying that he would always choose them over doing things he 'needs' to do. It hasn't really made any difference. He still tries every tactic in the book to avoid doing things he needs to do. He just doesn't seem to be willing to work at anything.

We've really failed somewhere.

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nimbuscloud · 27/07/2021 16:32

Maybe he sees how seriously you take work and has decided that’s not for him?
What is the situation with secondary schools? If he doesn’t pass the entrance tests what are the alternatives?

SingingSands · 27/07/2021 16:35

"DS is nearly 11"

That's all you need to know. Ten year old boys are not thinking about their futures or stressing over exam results. He's a little boy, let him be one.

MMMarmite · 27/07/2021 16:40

Does he particularly want to do the sport? No point forcing him, sport is meant to be fun; if he's not enthusiastic then he could drop it or participate at a less serious level.

And if he's above average, does he actually need to work harder? He's young. Childhood shouldnt be stressful.

I'd lay off him, and support him in things he is enthusiastic about, rather than trying to force enthusiasm upon him.

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WorkEthicFail · 27/07/2021 16:40

The alternative is that he will go to the excellent local state school. TBH, it's very likely he will pass as it's not particularly selective, but I would really like to see him taking it seriously and doing enough work to make it a certainty.

It's not about that test in particular- more his general attitude to effort. I work professionally with children who have been dealt really difficult hands and it is such an anathema to me to see him not being bothered to make the most of the opportunities he has. I don't seem to be able to get that through to him though.

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WhiskeyNeverStartsToTasteNice · 27/07/2021 16:41

As long as his results are average to above with minimum effort, I think I would try not to worry too much yet. He is still very young and has plenty of time to put the work in before GCSEs etc.

WorkEthicFail · 27/07/2021 16:44

I did think I'd get a flaming for being pushy. We've always been very relaxed with him, which I think may have led us to this point. When would it be reasonable to start expecting a bit more of a self-starting attitude from him?

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junebirthdaygirl · 27/07/2021 16:46

Just back off completely for a while. Give him a few tasks to do around the house. Keep off the screens and see what happens. Too much pressure and over enthusiastic parents can cause dc to go the other way. Also you studying for exams/ promotion does not scream hard work to a child. He is more likely to think of hard work as digging the garden. Just pull back for a while.

AnUnlikelyCombination · 27/07/2021 16:48

Has he ever failed at something he cared about and felt the sting? Or dealt with the consequences of being lazy (a respected adult being cross with him, or missing something he wanted to do as he didn’t get organised for it)? Or have you cushioned him from that?

TabithaTiger · 27/07/2021 16:51

My DS was exactly like this at school. He's 20 now and totally different. He likes expensive things and understands that he can earn more if he works hard!

What is your DS motivated by? Could you offer him an incentive for working harder at school (and before anyone says it, I know education is a privilege, and shouldn't need incentivising but 10 year old boys don't think like that!) l

Mintjulia · 27/07/2021 16:56

My 12yo ds was a bit like that with certain subjects. Getting him to do homework was hard work and I was sick of the arguments so I sent him to prep every night for an hour.
He basically has the choice of doing his homework or being bored stupid because there were no alternatives, no tv, no computer games, no food. And everyone around him is also doing prep.
Even he has the sense to realise he might as well use the time to get it done Smile And it means we can all relax when we get home.

WorkEthicFail · 27/07/2021 16:57

@AnUnlikelyCombination

Has he ever failed at something he cared about and felt the sting? Or dealt with the consequences of being lazy (a respected adult being cross with him, or missing something he wanted to do as he didn’t get organised for it)? Or have you cushioned him from that?
We haven't deliberately cushioned him, but it hasn't really happened to him yet. He's never done anything where the stakes have been that high.

He gets bad results in the sport sometimes, but the set-up of the sport is to see every result as a learning opportunity so the kids are encouraged never to feel too disappointed and just think about what went wrong and build on it. I really agree with that and think it's a great thing about this particular sport. He's never not been selected for anything because, TBH, he's quite good for his age. But I know that further down the line continuing to do well would be all about effort and attitude.

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WorkEthicFail · 27/07/2021 17:00

Thank you all for your thoughts, I really appreciate them.

@TabithaTiger I thought he would be very motivated to get his tech back contingent on an uptick in effort, but so far that is not the result.

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MiddleParking · 27/07/2021 17:00

Literally any 10 year old who plays a sport competitively only does so because of parental input. And watching a sport is a completely unrelated thing to playing it. You’re being far too intense for his age.

WorkEthicFail · 27/07/2021 17:07

Maybe you are right @MiddleParking. I'm just scared of him never realising life requires a bit of graft.

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QueenofLouisiana · 27/07/2021 17:07

My DS is now 16 and has only just got into working independently. He did the minimum in yr7-9, because he could. Worked harder in yr10/11 because he had to. He did really well in lockdown as there were far fewer distractions.
Now he is able to focus on the things he really wants to do, he is motivated and enjoying independent studying ahead of his A Levels (has even taken on learning a new language as he feels this will help in future, had a tutor twice a week).
He just needed time to grow up. (FWIW he is also a national level competitor and this is the first year he’s wanted to watch his sport at the Olympics.)

WorkEthicFail · 27/07/2021 17:11

Thank you @QueenofLouisiana

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GreenLakes · 27/07/2021 17:11

I think the approach @Mintjulia has taken is the right one.

It needs to just be a non-negotiable part of his routine that he does 1 hour (or whatever your expectation is) of homework and revision. He should have no access to screens until this is completed.

I would also work on setting some goals with him. It’s too young at that age to start thinking about careers etc, but you could set some shorter term targets for/with him. I.e. a certain achievement in his sport or mark in his entrance exams.

You could then give rewards- not necessarily for the achievement itself, but the effort he makes towards it.

LocalHobo · 27/07/2021 17:18

I have posted very similar on here years ago. My DS, also bright and good at sport, did everything in his power to do as little as possible. He is a passionate gamer.
He managed to get just high enough GCSE's/ A-levels to go to a mediocre Uni where he scraped a 2.2. All this is so frustrating as he is actually far more intelligent, has a wider general knowledge and is more naturally talented physically than my DD's who managed (comparatively) stellar academic results and achieved sporting accolades.
The important thing is, he is happy. He has a few great mates, he has done some international traveling (alongside work) during Uni and now, age 23, embarked on a solid graduate scheme.
We never thought paying for education would ensure academic success luckily, because it hasn't, but he is such a well-rounded and genuinely nice man I am pleased we didn't remove him from his high achieving school (who were as frustrated with him as we were). Some of his high flying contemporaries from school have had torrid times with their mental health or have labelled themselves as failures because their potential to represent the country or even play professional rugby/cricket has not happened as planned.
I would have said I felt I was failing with him when he was a young teen but, thankfully, listened to his wise prep school head who advised letting him grow into the person he wanted to become, not the high flyer I desired and saw his potential to be. I am, at last, seeing he will achieve much despite his journey not being on the traditional route and also how the absolutely most important thing is his happiness.

madmomma · 27/07/2021 17:20

I could have written your post about my boy OP. No idea what the answer is, but solidarity.

madmomma · 27/07/2021 17:22

Wise words there hobo. Did you pick any particular battle? Or was it just a case of leaving him alone?

LocalHobo · 27/07/2021 17:47

@madmomma

Wise words there hobo. Did you pick any particular battle? Or was it just a case of leaving him alone?
I was spectacularly bad at leaving him alone! I told everyone I had given up nagging him about revision for GCSE's and leaving it up to his individual choice from now on... and I shouted this fact up the stairs to him every half an hour! Nothing changed his laid back stance to education. He did (and still does) play chess to a reasonably high level and I clung to that as a sign that gaming was not 'damaging' his brain. And I tried to not let the MN vipers convince me that any degree not from the Russell Group was a waste of time. I'm a bit shell shocked presently because 3 of his ex-classmates have had very difficult times recently, as mentioned in my first post, and these were the boys I measured DS against (and saw him as failing). It isn't easy being young, but maybe it never was?
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Nerfelite · 27/07/2021 18:01

I was able to coast through the entirety of high school and do reasonably well (all As and Bs at Alevel and GCSEs). It wasn't until I went to University that I actually had to try or make any sustained effort.

I remember watching a documentary about Usain Bolt which basically said that his form is terrible and he also did the bare minimum of training. He still broke records and won all of those medals.

Not everyone wants or needs to do their best. Some people can be the best without having to try, some people are happy enough just being 'okay' and doing enough.

I don't think there is anything you need to concern yourself with at this point in time. He is still very young and has plenty of opportunity to make an effort when it really matters.

Annasgirl · 27/07/2021 18:05

OP, is your son happy and is he a pleasant person? If so, leave him be.
My DS goes now to an all boys school, fee paying, so fairly intense parents, and the year heads have told us that boys do not start to get serious (not all, but most) about school work until age 16. But until then, they need to navigate huge hormonal change, competitive sports, aggressive older boys - and lots of other trials.

A head teacher also told my friend that all children turn into their parents in the main, so if you and his dad are seriously hard workers - your DS will be too by the age of 25.

Let him enjoy his childhood. I look on in amazement at the education system in the UK, which is so hyper-focused on competition at such a young age. You can gain an education at any age, but you cannot relive your childhood.

GoWalkabout · 27/07/2021 18:06

Give him space to grow with unconditional approval. Your obvious disappointment will ensure he never tries.

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