Sussexes and bullying campaign

[DeepThinkingGirl]

Hi everyone !

Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?

I find the mainstream misogyny to be a reflection of how society really does view women as a whole and how othering it is of people of other cultures.

I think baby Lilibet would be very sad to know the world received her with such strong opinions against her naming. It’s really sad that the world so full of hate doesn’t provide a nice place for kids to grow confidently.

I feel like if this happens in a powerful royal family, what’s there to hope in your average family!

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

I’m neither a racist or misogynist and I think they are a pain in the arse.
I also dint believe they have been bullied

I don't believe for a second the Queen gives a shit

I agree.

But it sells papers and is clickbait.

And as I said, it would not surprise me if the 'courtier' in question is trying to divert away from something else going on.
Can't be Andrew as the Maxwell case is now November and not June.

@ohforarainyday

She says she didn't give permission

Source?

The BBC story quoting a palace spokesperson.

@DeepThinkingGirl

I really think these dramas are sucking the joy out of the beautiful moments that are meant to be enjoyed by the sussexes

Is this a pisstake?

You reap what you sow imo.

I see nothing to indicate the Queen is upset about the name.

The story about her not giving permission, plus she didn't take the opportunity to say how touched / pleased she was maybe?

@midsomermurderess

I think the term 'bullying' is now so much misued as to render it is increasingly without content and meaning.

When I ask my teens to do anything they answer (ironically) STOP BULLYING ME!! It’s an easy term for people playing the victim to throw around

Disclaimer - I am not denying the experiences of people who HAVE been bullied

Lol. And so we have gone full circle.

It's not a palace spokesperson. It's a palace 'source'. Every single news source calls it that. Even the BBC

Spokesperson makes it sound like an official announcement. Which it isn't.

Because they like the name and want to honour Harry's Grandmother?
Just a thought!

That's fine, they can name their child whatever they like but they cannot control other people's reactions to their choice. Some find it controversial, some find it super cute, some just mega twee. If they're happy with the name Lillibet, (which my autocorrect wants to correct to illicit) that's all that matters. With a little insight and reflection they'd have known it would draw a lot of negative attention. If they didn't submit a royal baby name request they shouldn't be surprised that they have pissed off the firm yet again. Poke, poke, poke......

Owls Totally agree. There are names I love, names I really dislike!

But this is a whole other level.

On the baby name request... funnily enough, a couple of posters a while back when the baby was first born told me I was ridiculous for suggesting there was such a thing! From what I've read they ran the name past the Queen verbally and not on a name request form. Makes sense to me. But what do I know

@Allington

People and institutions are two distinct things.

They are indeed. But if the institution is the problem, why are they using their titles and making an issue of their children not being prince/ss?

I haven't a clue what they want or are trying to achieve - what they say and what they do are so at odds.

I've worked in places where the management style is bullying - sometimes for longer than was good for my mental health while I found another job. Once I had left I heaved a sigh of relief and moved on - I didn't spend my time and energy on criticising those still working there.

They've left... but they don't seem to be able to move on from that. Very odd and very sad.

I agree. I was bullied too and it took me a looong time to grey rock.

I guess it is harder for them because it is family too and more person?

I think they need to detach.

But I can also understand why they would take offence at BBC. It is really not edifying for nationally funded media to be wading into private non-issue. It is in bad taste to comment on a baby’s name and spread alleged falsehoods to shit stir.

I don’t think unnamed sources should be allowed, unless it is a whistleblower and in public interest.

@Roussette

Lol. And so we have gone full circle.

It's not a palace spokesperson. It's a palace 'source'. Every single news source calls it that. Even the BBC

Spokesperson makes it sound like an official announcement. Which it isn't.

Sorry, you're right, I don't know where I saw spokesperson. I have seen source, insider, senior source, aide, official etc. Eg:

The aide behind the Palace leak to the BBC is unknown, though it is thought to be a senior official. It's also unclear if the Queen was aware of the comment, though it is considered almost unprecedented for the monarch not to sign off on quotes from senior officials, even if they are anonymous briefings.

No probs Bovrilly

@Laska2Meryls

Oh some lovely things on the Penelope Chivers site Sooverthemill .. I really don't need a new excuse to spend though !! Love these!.

At last an uncontroversial post about sandals, which this thread sorely needed

Sorry that last post was on the wrong thread! I have asked for it tobe removed

Sorry Duh!

I think its insane. I don't think its affected my mental health and Im sorry it has yours- you should step away from media if thats how you feel.

As far as I think

• I couldn't care less whether the Queen was informed or not, why are the press shit stirring on such a personal/private and irrelevant in todays context matter
• Lilibet is a lovely name and in passing I'd remark that it's a shame Meghans family didn't get a look in, Harry's side got all the names. I don't doubt it wasn't done with pure intentions
• There is no denying Harry has got mental health/dad issues and needs time and is far from perfect
• The tabloids should leave them alone because they are a young family and its not kind.
• The BBC are appalling- the veneer has come off how it all works, the BBC, Parliament, the Royal Family all have this unspoken agreement, whereby the BBC are fed and source information from politicians and royals because they can sway opinion by what they print. They then print controversy for the sake of it because they know there will be more comeback.
• The press were appaling to MM
• As far as I can tell MM wanted her say and the Harry documentary was about more than just him, but the media have blown these up

To be clear I think the royal family are out of date and need scaling back.

@Owlsandbats

And it’s equally reprehensible that they’re not being called out for how incredibly cruel this all is to everyone involved. Like why isn’t there more outrage about the fact that they’re doing this TO A BABY???

Why did the BABY's parents land the them with a such a controversial name? TBH the Sussex children have bigger issues, such as having no relationship with any cousins, aunts uncles and most of their grandparents the way this is all going, I can't imagine that family ties across the pond will be tight. Maybe they'll be close to the York sisters' babies.

In honour of the Queen. Who as it happens to be is the babies Great-Grandmother. Hardly controversial to name a baby after a family member.

@MistySkiesAfterRain
Great post

Hell no would I ever submit a baby name request to anyone.

I have a darling kitten I’ve been calling lilgirl (aka my user name).

I think Lilibet would suit her to a tee.

Do I need to submit a name request to the palace? Will it diminish the services of the Queen? Or perhaps enhance her standing among regal cats? Is it endearingly loyal? or over-familiar? Do I need to pay royalty or will her Maj have right over dear cat?
So many questions! AND most importantly, does mumsnet approve?!!

I’ve read on three royal watch forums that they registered the domain Lilibetdiane on the day she was born along with a couple of others using variations of her name.

Anyone else thinking OP might be Meghan?

Christ, there are "royal watch forums"?

It’s only an honour if the person feels honoured.

My grandfather had a pet name for my grandmother , they probably would have been fine with it being used but I would have checked first because it was special to them, and that’s more important than my wish to use it.

The Queen has very little about herself which is personal, even her given Christian name is also her job. This was one little thing which was hers. Within her family only close relatives were able to use it ( and before anyone says anything yes the King of Spain is a relative both of her and Prince Philip ) , no one else in the family has used it although at least 3 great grandchildren have Elizabeth . Sadly I think this is more about Prince Harry wanting to prove to the world that he is special rather than to honour anyone, clearly Elizabeth wasn’t good enough for him.

I see nothing to indicate that the Queen is upset

Her flowers on Philips coffin had the one word Lillibet on the card & she specifically requested that nobody else used the name in future as it was very personal to her & her husband after her parents died.
I got this from a relative who is on the staff at Windsor.