Sussexes and bullying campaign

[DeepThinkingGirl]

Hi everyone !

Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?

I find the mainstream misogyny to be a reflection of how society really does view women as a whole and how othering it is of people of other cultures.

I think baby Lilibet would be very sad to know the world received her with such strong opinions against her naming. It’s really sad that the world so full of hate doesn’t provide a nice place for kids to grow confidently.

I feel like if this happens in a powerful royal family, what’s there to hope in your average family!

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

Racism over there seems decidedly worse, doesn’t it?

You reap what you sew I don’t think they are being bullied. They chose their own path, they don’t seem to give a lot of thought to the affect their actions have on other people. So no I don’t find it upsetting.

I think they are the bully's . Their victims can't speak out and H and M just keep on lying why on earth would you sympathise with them?

@flapjackfairy

I dont think misogyny comes into.it. they are both disliked equally by many people for various reasons. If they didnt keep talking half truths and lies and being hypocritical by preaching love and peace whilst simultaneously stabbing people in the back things would go much better for them. Frankly much of the shit show is of their own making. I cant see why it would affect yours or anyone else's mental health though.

^^ H&M have lost all credibility with their half lies, over inflated opinions of themselves and desperate need for the constant media circus they surround themselves in, and their ever increasing need to be in the spotlight about everything and anything, preferably stamping on someone else's moment whilst they do it

IF the queen did give the thumbs up foe them to use her most private and cherished nickname then this current shit storm is unfair, however, people are bloody sick to the back teeth of these two overly-entitled clowns who want to make money out of everything no matter what the cost is to others, and who personally are essentially useless really, with zero talent, literally can't breathe without their publicity agents having it splattered all over the world to make money - they're worse than the karcrashians IMO because they're so intent on trashing their family, at least the Karcrashians kinda stick together (says me who knows very little of these media starved idiots either)

Why do people actually care about Lilibet's name? I personally think she might not like it when she's 45, but people can name their DC what they want.

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

Probably not a very good idea to start a thread on it then?

As for the “bullying”, if you continuously put yourself out on global media then you are inviting public opinion. Just because people don’t like or believe what you say, doesn’t make it bullying. If you don’t want public opinion, don’t court the celebrity of it all and lead a private life.

I get what you are saying OP.
I can’t understand why people are so over invested in the whole drama. The intensity of feeling about them is weird to say the least, about individuals we don’t know, never will.
I suppose it distracts people from getting wound up about the really serious issues affecting country like poverty and food banks
Fwiw I like the name, who really gives a monkeys whether it fits in with royal tradition ?

** amusedtodeath1

If someone said awful things about my 95year old grandmother when her husband was dying/she was grieving I'd think they were cruel heartless bastards tbh.**

^And what has the queen done all these years to protect her Grandson and wife from relentless bullying by the media? She has done nothing all the whole protecting dodgy Prince Andrew. I have no respect for her anymore.

Poking a hornet's nest is exactly right. Even if you skip over how they left the UK, in the last few weeks alone.

• Of all the names, they pick the ones most likely to get back lash. They must have known that decision would be controversial, and create a media storm, yet they still did it. It's like asking on MN if people like the name Honey Boo Boo and then being surprised went people leave negative comments.
• They made statements that could easily proved incorrect such as the private wedding and whether Archie could be prince. Even if they were unsure of the laws, why did their team or Oprah's team not fact check before release ?
• He went on TV and trashed his family and their parenting - thereby bringing the Queen directly into discussion. He'd skirted around the issue of the Queen before, but breaking the cycle of "genetic pain and suffering" firmly dragged her into the whole circus
• Taking legal action against the BBC instead of the usual royal 'never explain, never complain'. Its a clear message they will sue if they are briefed against. Do they hope it stops the Media, or do they hope it stops the RF/Buck Palace - who knows but its very alpha ape beating his chest

Either they getting spectacularly bad advice, or they are refusing to listen to anybody and simple fail to understand how modern media works. I sympathise with their desire to not live the Royal life, but their need for money means they need to sell their souls Kardashian style. Thats simply incompatible with the level of privacy they say they deserve/want.

Is this a serious post? If anything the dislike is aimed at Harry more now, and Lilibet was a controversial choice that they chose. They knew it was controversial. It was a private nick name for the queen, and the fact she didn’t take the opportunity to say she was very touched or something when the palace announced on the birth, shows she’s not happy.

The Sussex’s have had some unfair bullying but not one person can seriously say they are not the ones causing the problems. The interviews, the accusations, the false hoods, even the controversial name, it’s them who are the protagonists.

I don’t know what’s going on in your family or why you’re relating and finding it triggering, but there is no doubt it’s them who are publicly causing much of the issues, trash talking the royal family for money and fame.

H&M keep digging themselves into a hole. It's very sad but you can't deny they've brought much of this on themselves. Not sure why it would affect your my mental health, focus on your own life and wellbeing.

@TheLovelinessOfDemons

Why do people actually care about Lilibet's name? I personally think she might not like it when she's 45, but people can name their DC what they want.

This. I cannot understand why anyone has an opinion on what parents name a child.

The only reasonable answer is “that’s nice”

I find it odd that people feel the rf is “theirs” and are protective of the Queen as a grieving old woman. When they probably don’t care about any of the old people in care homes!

And the notion that a couple cannot speak up about their experience of feeling bullied in their family business because it would offend the head of the family is simply bizarre.

The thread shows that in many circles it is worse to talk about racism than be the victim of racism.

I think every one should point out racism, sexism, bullying and micro aggressions.

It is not whining and moaning or being disloyal or attention seeking

'Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?'

What 'constant' bullying?

Now I don't read the red tops or areas where the bottom feeders of the Internet gather.

There has been some criticism of their actions but I see next to nothing of criticisms if them as people, though there has been a recent theme of calling Harry dim and easily led.

I do think the BBC has poked a hornets nest. Post-Bashir, the BBC is claiming to be extremely diligent and careful in its royal reporting, so of course people are giving it some credence. That made the unthinkable, thinkable

This. I cannot understand why anyone has an opinion on what parents name a child

The only reasonable answer is “that’s nice”

Do we think that's what happened here then? And that was HMQ's answer and public line. It's very plausible isn't it, unfortunately

Welcome to MN, Meghan

There's no proof that the RF were racist, given the many inaccuracies and contradictions coming from H&M, many people, quite reasonably, doubt it's veracity.

Racism is wrong no one is arguing that it isn't, but there's so much more to this than an alleged racist remark from a member of the RF.

Comments from the peanut gallery are not the palaces fault or responsibility, some people are just assholes.

To be fair I think they are creating the drama. If they wanted to live a private life they have that opportunity (to an extent - they could at least try!), but they have chosen not to pursue it and are chasing media celebrity instead🤷🏼‍♀️.

@Blinkingbotheration they’re trolling the media. To be fair if I hated them as much as Harry does, then I’d probably quite enjoy the fight too. The problem is that he is angry and I won’t say what I really think of her (safe to say it’s nothing racist, I’d say the same about someone no matter what colour they are)… and the anger is pushing them to make some very poor decisions. I think he needs to deal with his anger, not be exploited for it.

No one really knows how the Queen feels about the name. That's personal. The dispute is over facts. Did H&M seek permission to use the name? H&M say that they wouldn't have used it if HM wasn't happy about it, which is not the same thing as asking for permission. The Palace Press office say they did not ask for permission, note that they don't say that HM was unhappy about it, just that it didn't happen. Harry now wants to sue the BBC for reporting that.

Fair play, nobody does a jaw dropping open in astonishment like Oprah though.

Why does everything have to be one dimensional? There can be both racist behaviour/micro aggressions and H&M can also be whining/attention seeking.

I'm sure M's experience in the RF was painful and definitely not what she expected, the press were vile (as they have been with pretty much every 'wife' of the RF), Piers is a complete twunt and made it all incredibly personal. Is the RF racist, like most long standing institutions I'd guess some people are and some people aren't. And I'd not be surprised if the answer to her depression was 'suck it up, it's just the way things are, and if you must see some one, do it discreetly, but remember don't talk about it'

BUT, their behaviour has been equally bad. They have made the decision to leave and do their own thing, but they can't really because the only way they make the kind of money they want, is to keep going back to the RF. So they will.

Both sides are completely fucked up. And sadly, people will keep clicking on the headlines, and so the media will continue to harass them and gossip about them, and H&M will continue to lash out at the media, and RF will continue to slyly brief back, and that creates more scandals so people will click on the headlines, and ... on and on and on.

No but I don’t care

The whole thing is a mess. I feel for Harry actually as although he is a PITA I think he is a lost soul

@Crankley

Is this a joke? THEY are the ones bullying.

Exactly !.