Sussexes and bullying campaign

[DeepThinkingGirl]

Hi everyone !

Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?

I find the mainstream misogyny to be a reflection of how society really does view women as a whole and how othering it is of people of other cultures.

I think baby Lilibet would be very sad to know the world received her with such strong opinions against her naming. It’s really sad that the world so full of hate doesn’t provide a nice place for kids to grow confidently.

I feel like if this happens in a powerful royal family, what’s there to hope in your average family!

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

I definitely think they're hounded and bullied. Many people will disagree with every single thing they do, including breathing just for the sake of it. There's misogyny and racism at the heart of some of their critics but there's also plain old criticising some things they've said or done by some people with no misogyny or racism at the root of it.

On the other hand, they aren't blameless in everything. I think they have the right to talk about their experiences as everyone does and seeing as they are in the public eye, I don't think they should be surprised that the public are commenting - both positively and negatively- on their public lives and what they share publicly. It's rare that people are 100% loved by everyone.

If someone said awful things about my 95year old grandmother

Name one single word they have said about the Queen.

They've literally not said a single word about the Queen that is not positive, and they obviously have a good relationship and regularly speak to her.

Charles is the one who's attacked the Queen, the complaints he's made about his childhood are a thousand times worse than anything the Sussexes have said.

@LeoOrTheo what has anything what H&M do got to do with you? They named their dd after his great grandmother and mother. End of.

None of your or anyone else’s business

[quote Gorgeouslilgirl]@LeoOrTheo what has anything what H&M do got to do with you? They named their dd after his great grandmother and mother. End of.

None of your or anyone else’s business[/quote]
You seem very passionate about defending H&M Gorgeouslilgirl but I disagree with you. H&M have proactivley chosen to live their lives in the media so I feel rather entitled and free to comment on a public forum if I feel like it .

@flapjackfairy

I dont think misogyny comes into.it. they are both disliked equally by many people for various reasons. If they didnt keep talking half truths and lies and being hypocritical by preaching love and peace whilst simultaneously stabbing people in the back things would go much better for them. Frankly much of the shit show is of their own making. I cant see why it would affect yours or anyone else's mental health though.

100% agree

I think by choosing so name their baby Lillibet a personal nickname is what has invited comment. Naming her Lili or Elizabeth wouldn’t have had the same reaction I don’t think.

My dc is named for a grandparent who has a particular nickname. The name is the traditional one not the nickname as that is the grandparent’s imo. Others may feel differently.

All they had to do was call her Lily Elizabeth Diana. And nothing would said except for how nice. But instead they went a bit overboard and used a very personal nickname. It's not like it was a common version of her name that she used like Liz or Betty. It did invite comment.

you only have to look at the countless threads on here to see that people just love hating them. its bullying IMO.

I have in law issues and find the California couple triggering.🤷Families, eh!

They wanted privacy so they went on the Oprah show and told a fair few half truths.
They wanted safety so they moved to a country full of guns (what happened to going to Canada? Not enough glitzy Hollywood pals there)
They had a big white wedding at UK taxpayer cost.

Don't waste headspace on them. They'll be all right.

Good advice murbblurb.
They are doing very well in their new phase of life.

I find it interesting though how Lili wasn't also given the name Doria after Diana but one can argue they only give their children two names so no space for others. I don't think people who compare it with Kate not including her mum's name is the same because Kate's never complained about the RF. Doria is the only parent they don't seem to have (had) a problem with, not to mention she's the only Black woman in the family so you'd think it would be reflected somehow.

Also clever how only one parent and grandparent names are passed down (and I include Kate's children here) and it seems obvious why.

If something like this is affecting your mental health I really think you have deeper issues and should work through them with a specialist. Sorry about the in-laws issue, the bit about baby lilibet though is you being utterly precious. You've clearly read a certain narrative and gone wild with it. You're also being extremely extremely dramatic. And lastly if you're basing the world on their response to celebrities, that isn't just over generalising but you're limiting it to those who even bother to follow the mundane lives of celebrities. And the term misogyny is just thrown around willynilly these days. It has nothing at all to do with misogyny but people's reactions to Harry and Meghans behaviour and controversial name choice. You've obviously chosen one stance in regards to it, and others have chosen another. Just because they disagree with you doesn't mean that the world is an evil dark place that hates a baby and women in general . I think they're just attention seekers and need to focus on their little family regardless of what they choose to name them or not. Attention whores in my opinion!

All they had to do was call her Lily Elizabeth Diana. And nothing would said except for how nice.

No way is that true. No way.

For three years Meghan's been subject to non-stop extreme hate and abuse from people who are utterly obsessed with demonising her and finding reasons to hate her. The threads here in the runup to the wedding were ten times more abusive and venomous than anything that's been said since the Oprah interview, and for nothing. Threads about Meghan wanting scented candles at the wedding. Threads about Meghan wearing tights. Threads about Meghan's hair. Threads about Meghan's nail varnish.

And for years posters have repeatedly said "if Meghan just did X then everyone would leave her alone and all the criticism would stop" yet every time, when Meghan does X, those posters do an about face and use the very thing they demanded as a reason to spread more hate.

There's absolutely no name they could have chosen that would not have led to outrage. If their chosen name had included Elizabeth at all, even if just as a middle name, there would have been howls of anger and outrage saying HOW DARE THEY reference the Queen's name after all they've done, etc. etc. If they'd made no reference to her at all, howls of outrage and anger HOW DARE THEY snub the Queen!

There is not a single name on earth that would not have sparked outrage because some people are just desperate to find things to be offended by.

I think the term 'bullying' is now so much misued as to render it is increasingly without content and meaning.

OP, if you're basing the state of your mental health on how people treat celebrities and people in the public eye, then you've likely gone too far with it. You should probably step back and take care of yourself first - you don't know them, they don't know you. It's best to ignore news and posts about them if they affect you.

There's absolutely no name they could have chosen that would not have led to outrage.

Not sure about this - they seem to have managed it with Archie, don't they? Some people like the name Archie, some don't, but I don't remember any "outrage". If they had chosen something similar for their DD (like Lily / Lili for instance) with Diana / Doria as the middle name, I don't think anyone would have cared.

It’s hard to know if M&H are happy. They certainly don’t Happy but maybe they are and that’s great.

They could have settled in the US undertaking philanthropical work and doing good quietly but meaningfully. Instead it’s whinging interviews, buzzword strewn speeches that don’t seem to mean anything in particular and increasing their brand and profiles. They don’t have to be in the limelight to do great things that make a difference to people but they want to be. If you put yourself out there you invite attention, comments, opinions and sometimes ridicule. That’s the nature of fame and celebrity. They don’t seem to have insight into now they might be coming across or about the incongruity between their speeches and their behaviour. They are doing to the Royals what Meghans father did to her. It’s sad and unedifying. This needs to be sorted out in private.

5ey certainly don’t sound happy i mean.

@Northernlurker

All they had to do was call her Lily Elizabeth Diana. And nothing would said except for how nice. But instead they went a bit overboard and used a very personal nickname. It's not like it was a common version of her name that she used like Liz or Betty. It did invite comment.

Really? People would still have found something to be snide about. It is their baby, they can call her what they like.

They don’t have to be in the limelight to do great things that make a difference to people but they want to be.

I think this is a great assessment. There are thousands of people who make a difference an duse the fact they come from a place of great privilege to make things better but they don't court the media and don't seem to need almost constant validation from others.

Meghan and Harry could absolutely have done great things and I've no doubt they intended to do so but it didn't require the media circus and continuing to engage in it is doing themselves, their causes and their 2 children no favours.

They've literally not said a single word about the Queen that is not positive... Name one single word they have said about the Queen.

Harry has said that her parenting caused genetic pain, he has repeatedly slagged off the organisation she has run for 70 years, and now is suggesting that she's lying about giving permission for the name.

The ironic thing is they moved to the US to lead a more private existence yet they have barely been out of the media since. Probably in it more now than ever before.

I don’t think there’s any misogyny at play whatsoever. I think Harry is a bit of a selfish berk and not very intelligent, he needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut. I’m definitely not a Royalist and I suspect he wanted to leave the RF for many years and meeting Meghan probably gave him the push he always needed. I just wish they’d both be quiet and live the peaceful, private life they apparently craved. The Queen is old and grieving for her husband, she doesn’t need her dopey grandson giving her family shit.

@amusedtodeath1

If someone said awful things about my 95year old grandmother when her husband was dying/she was grieving I'd think they were cruel heartless bastards tbh. It doesn't matter why or who's in the right.

They would be bullying a vulnerable elderly woman.

Quite.

My mum has MH issues. Has had them for my entire life, and it made being parented by her interesting, to say the least. She is very, VERY hard work.

But when her best friend of sixty years died on Christmas Eve, my sister was an absolute cunt to her. My mum, bless her, tried to make the best of it. Tried to make a good Christmas Day, but it exacerbated some of her worst qualities. This wound me up, but I kept schtum and went along with it. My sister sulked because her boyfriend wasn't there, and generally made a fuss that everything wasn't to her liking, and that my mum was being worse than usual.

But I still have good relationships with both of them. I still recognise that my sister had a hard upbringing, like I did, and that my mum has very good reasons for being as damaged as she is.

And even though nobody gives a crap to listen, I'd never slag them off to the world's media.

(and as I possess a history degree, I'd say that the occasions on which one side have been proven to have behaved perfectly and recalled incidents with exact unbiased accuracy are vanishingly unlikely)