Sussexes and bullying campaign

[DeepThinkingGirl]

Hi everyone !

Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?

I find the mainstream misogyny to be a reflection of how society really does view women as a whole and how othering it is of people of other cultures.

I think baby Lilibet would be very sad to know the world received her with such strong opinions against her naming. It’s really sad that the world so full of hate doesn’t provide a nice place for kids to grow confidently.

I feel like if this happens in a powerful royal family, what’s there to hope in your average family!

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

Unfortunately in this case they are courting attention by saying deliberate untruths, publicity at any cost??? Eg we got married in the garden not in the chapel, a complete lie.

The Palace doesn't slyly brief, they have a press office with staff who are often quoted as "palace source" because if they said Mr Synjon-Smythe or whatever no one would have a clue.

@DeepThinkingGirl

I really think these dramas are sucking the joy out of the beautiful moments that are meant to be enjoyed by the sussexes

But they are seeking out drama themselves. I was a fan of Meghan when she first appeared in the royal family, I thought she'd be a breath of fresh air and I know the palace staff appear to have not been supportive of her, but I don't think she really did herself any favours. And now she and Harry are constantly promoting themselves and seeking more and more fame and attention. They could quietly be philanthropists behind the scenes, but they seem obsessed with everyone knowing they are dedicated to 'service'. But yes I do feel a bit sorry for the new baby as she will read the news stories one day, but she may even question why she was named after the great grandmother whose family and legacy her parents were seeking to destroy just after the death of her husband. The blame for all of the drama lies solely with Harry though. He brought a woman into royal life without warning her of the reality of such a life it seems.

I agree with Roomer that Harry does seem like a lost soul, I know it's stupid but I'm actually quite worried that it could all end very badly. But my heart also goes out to the Queen, she must be finding it very hard ATM. I don't understand how someone (Harry) who claims to love his Grandmother and who also portrays himself as a compassionate person couldn't find the heart or decency to hold off on the public slating for at least a few months. I can't get past how unkind that is.

Why does everything have to be one dimensional? There can be both racist behaviour/micro aggressions and H&M can also be whining/attention seeking

I agree, and do get a bit fed up of every opinion being forced into a loverz/haterz dichotomy

I felt sorry for them at first and they have been through something but now I feel more sorry for the royal family waiting to hear what they are going to do next and unable to have an honest conversation in case it isn't kept private. Must be very upsetting.

Also naming the baby after the queen in the current circumstances seems disingenuous. Why name the baby a name which will forever associate her with the institution you have had to flee to protect your own health. A name that will give her even less anonymity. Nothing they say or do makes sense to me.

I am not a huge fan of the royals and never disliked Harry and Megan's actions until recently.

I don't think most people are bullying.

However the DM, Piers Morgan and some of the other tabloids just willl not let it go and keep finding some other real

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They find some other real or imagined slight to go after them for. I do agree that element is becoming ridiculous and should now stop.

@EdithWeston

Why does everything have to be one dimensional? There can be both racist behaviour/micro aggressions and H&M can also be whining/attention seeking

I agree, and do get a bit fed up of every opinion being forced into a loverz/haterz dichotomy

Thirded.

Who knows if they asked permission or not, the Queen won't actually come out and say whether they did or didn't? Opinions are very divided on whether you should ask someone if you can use their name or in this case a personal nickname to name your own child. Some people think you should ask as a mark of respect and I tend to agree, others think that you are honouring someone by naming your child after them so don't need to. Harry has grown up in the Royal family so should know the protocol even of his wife doesn't and should have acted accordingly (he might well of). They will no doubt come out with an interview about the furore about their baby's name and how the queen could have put it all to bed by saying yes or no.

If you find this triggering you really should stop reading about it or maybe step away from social media to help yourself.

@TheLovelinessOfDemons

Why do people actually care about Lilibet's name? I personally think she might not like it when she's 45, but people can name their DC what they want.

Yeah they can, but to use the very intimate and cherished nickname of someone that you have spent the previous few months publicly slagging off to the entire globe is a bit off I think. Of all the names in the world, it is one that they knew would get a lot of attention. To be honest, even if the queen did say it was OK, I would not use such an intimate nickname, it's not really theirs to take imo.

I was very sympathetic to the Sussexes, and hoped that they would find peace and quiet in America and get on with their lives privately, but they seem determined not to do that and I am definitely running out of sympathy for them.

Naming the baby Elizabeth is fine imo. Lili Diana is lovely. Lillibet? A personal nickname. No. I think if anyone is doing the bullying it’s HaM.

It’s just an incredibly painful family feud being played out in the media. Almost all of the information the media has comes from H&M, with the RF being forced to make short statements at certain times. It’s incredibly crass, but the Sussexes are feeding it. The baby name is an interesting choice - some could see it as a touching gesture, it could also be read as being quite manipulative.

I think their favour is at a particularly low ebb generally now, and it’s quite painful to watch. Feels like they are the modern day Edward VIII and Wallace Simpson.

I am not slagging them off but it is like they invite criticism. Is it bullying to say that they never learn anything, never read the room, never stop lecturing, suing, merching....

We all hopr they just enjoy their new baby but no, they are suing the BBC

Yeah they can, but to use the very intimate and cherished nickname of someone that you have spent the previous few months publicly slagging off to the entire globe is a bit off I think. Of all the names in the world, it is one that they knew would get a lot of attention. To be honest, even if the queen did say it was OK, I would not use such an intimate nickname, it's not really theirs to take imo.

I was very sympathetic to the Sussexes, and hoped that they would find peace and quiet in America and get on with their lives privately, but they seem determined not to do that and I am definitely running out of sympathy for them.

Totally agree with ALL of this.

I so wish they’d disappear up their own backsides and we’d never have to hear from them again.

@amusedtodeath1

There's no proof that the RF were racist, given the many inaccuracies and contradictions coming from H&M, many people, quite reasonably, doubt it's veracity.

Racism is wrong no one is arguing that it isn't, but there's so much more to this than an alleged racist remark from a member of the RF.

Comments from the peanut gallery are not the palaces fault or responsibility, some people are just assholes.

Well, since the RF is exempt from public’s sector equality legislation, on what basis do you say it is not racist?

Recent articles on their hiring policies, people in senior roles being remarkably homogeneous in ethnicity and allegations from a senior Rf member point to the need for a scrutiny.

Apparently the RF was going to do a private investigation into racism claims (as opposed to a public investigation that all other state entities require) Do we have any further news on that? Have they come to a conclusion?

“ To be honest, even if the queen did say it was OK, I would not use such an intimate nickname, it's not really theirs to take imo.”

Why do you even care or have an opinion on this? Why is it not theirs to take?

I can name my child or pet dog Lilibet if I want to...it is totally anyone’s to take!

Naming their dd Lilibet undermines the Queen's legacy and life work.

Our monarch does not want to be seen as an individual (as is right). She's done all that is in her power to play the role of neutral head of state as Queen Elizabeth II not 'Lilibet' the privileged princess come Queen and it has been her life mission to protect the mystique of royalty and to focus on duty and service rather than her own private wants, needs and image.

This is the way it should be and she's done really well in that regard. We can't have a monarch who expresses their personality and political views left right and centre, it wouldn't be appropriate.

Megan is a very clever, highly ambitious Californian woman and Harry is a spoilt English prince. The couple's sense of entitlement and victimhood mentality is going to present a huge nuisance to the royal family in years to come, which is such a shame. They could have positioned themselves as 'good' philanthropists rather than going for the Jeremy Kyle style mud slinging image.

H&M have huge media value at the moment (especially Meghan) for better or for worse. Sadly any notion of class, peace, love fairness (which is what they see themselves as impersonating) has imploded by that pitiful Oprah interview.

Imagine selling out your family publicly like that. Who's going to trust them now? They are a controversial brand, which is such a shame, when they could have run things very differently.

I hope that with Charles, William and Catherine, the RF will be able to modernise the monarchy to remain relevant in the 21st century and beyond and that H&M will find a way to raise their family in a less toxic and controversial way. It's such a shame that H&M and their kids are alienated from all their relatives. Poor Archie and Lili.

How exactly is a monarchy and a feudal system based on birth privilege relevant in the 21st century?

I feel sorry for the kids. My daughter is mixed race. She's never going to know about the awful comment her grandad made before she was born.

“Naming their dd Lilibet undermines the Queen's legacy and life work”

This is the batshit stuff H&M probably fled from.

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Is that you Omid?

Personally, i think Baby lilibet will be sad when she works out her parents treated her as a commodity /asset to be monetised from birth

@BatikBat

I feel sorry for the kids. My daughter is mixed race. She's never going to know about the awful comment her grandad made before she was born.

I feel sorry for the children too. At the end of the day all of this will be easily found when they grow up and begin to Google themselves. If they really wanted to protect their kids they wouldn't be running to the press every 5 minutes.

I think for their children's sake Harry and Meghan should be trying to live the quietest life possible. Although sadly living a quiet life won't bring in the millions so I suspect there will be years more 'content' for Archie and Lili to wade through in future in the form of yet more Oprah interviews and Netflix documentaries.

@Gorgeouslilgirl

“Naming their dd Lilibet undermines the Queen's legacy and life work”

This is the batshit stuff H&M probably fled from.

Can you please clarify what is batshit? Do you mean the Queen's legacy and life work? That's a shame that you see it that way.

H&M are extremely brand conscious and it's disingenuous to claim that they didn't consider the media impact of naming their dd Lillibet. If the UK and its customs are so batshit, why are they courting royal affiliation? If they fled the Uk's royal traditions, as you say, why do H&M want royal titles for their poor and unsuspecting dc? Why not raise A&L as private citizens and cut the ties with the royal institution but remain friendly with their family members? You are contradicting yourself Gorgeouslilgirl (lol at username btw)

It doesn't take a genius to see that the Queen is not one who overshares in public so it's not very kind to take a very personal name and turn it into a media spectacle. It's incredibly self-centred.