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Sussexes and bullying campaign

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DeepThinkingGirl · 11/06/2021 00:59

Hi everyone !

Does anyone find the constant bullying of the Sussexes to affect their mental health ?

I find the mainstream misogyny to be a reflection of how society really does view women as a whole and how othering it is of people of other cultures.

I think baby Lilibet would be very sad to know the world received her with such strong opinions against her naming. It’s really sad that the world so full of hate doesn’t provide a nice place for kids to grow confidently.

I feel like if this happens in a powerful royal family, what’s there to hope in your average family!

Btw I have in law issues and I find the attitudes towards the sussexes triggering and upsetting

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AnotherName1334 · 11/06/2021 19:31

@Frownette

Trouble is we don't know what's true or not with all these sources!
Grin

Lol @ all the convenient sources information too.

Roussette · 11/06/2021 19:42

They have stayed in touch, but apparently never ever pass on even the smallest titbit about their job

Exactly. I once knew a nanny to Royals.. (I know I know others have said this and I've trashed it!) BUT she was tight as a duck's arse and never said ONE thing.

Roussette · 11/06/2021 19:46

Great post Snoopy

ICanSmellSummerComing · 11/06/2021 20:27

Edith, I have no idea if it's a listed name.

The point is, it's not unusual for people called Elizabeth to have been called lilibet, its the obvious breakdown for young children isn't it! Those who struggle to say Elizabeth.

ohforarainyday · 11/06/2021 20:33

Its not just the use of the nsme. Its the registering of the name as brand which was done the day after the baby was born. Utterly dreadful. If anybody owns the name Lilibet it's the Queen not them.

They didn't. There's absolutely zero evidence to suggest they did, it's not been reported anywhere other than hate blogs, and you clearly don't understand what registering a trademark means (given you refer to it as "registering a brand"). It's exceptionally unlikely they have as the process takes far more time than this and would almost certainly be turned down.

Besides registering a trademark is purely a safety thing to ensure that other companies can't sell products under that name. Will and Kate have trademarked their names too.

What they have done is register the domain name lilibetdiana.com, which is only sensible since otherwise anyone could buy it and use it to host porn or worse.

It appears Internet Chinese Whispers has taken "they registered the domain name" and turned it into "they registered the name as a brand."

And nobody "owns" a name.

CatherineMorland · 11/06/2021 20:34

I think parents can do a lot to court or draw back from drama.

IMO using the Queen’s childhood pet name (especially in the immediate aftermath of the death of her husband - the last surviving family member to use that name for her) is at best thoughtless, at worst cruel.

Why didn’t they just call the child Elizabeth (especially as she’s to be known as Lili) and no-one would have turned a hair?

EdithWeston · 11/06/2021 20:53

@ICanSmellSummerComing

Edith, I have no idea if it's a listed name.

The point is, it's not unusual for people called Elizabeth to have been called lilibet, its the obvious breakdown for young children isn't it! Those who struggle to say Elizabeth.

Agree that it's been happening since the tale about Princess Elizabeth and her inability to pronounce her own name was made public (by the ostracised Crawfie, wasn't it?)

What I was wondering on was whether there had been any known or recorded use before then. Or if it is indeed possible it was a new coining. For there don't seem to be any other 'lily' diminutives in 20thC

Gorgeouslilgirl · 11/06/2021 21:02

I think there is some Venezuelan tv star with the same name?

Gorgeouslilgirl · 11/06/2021 21:07

Ah, Lilibeth Morillo. It’s Lilibeth with an h at the end. I like it, seems soft and rounded.

CallmeHendricks · 11/06/2021 21:47

Jan Moir has summed it up perfectly for me today.

"During a life devoted to public service and being on almost permanent display, Lilibet was the one thing the Queen had that was entirely her own."

"It was hers, and hers alone."

"Spoken aloud, it was the affectionate nickname first bestowed upon her by her grandfather, King George V, adopted by her beloved father and mother, and an echo of the past that she must still hear, whispered down the hallways and by the firesides of Balmoral and Sandringham."

"It was also a private endearment uttered throughout more than 70 years of marriage by her husband who, may I remind certain parties, is recently deceased."

"Elizabeth may Regina, but Lilibet was something more sublime."

"No, it does not appear on patents or seals or official documents, but it was her signature on the most personal of correspondences. It was the cipher that spoke of the bonds of family and also of the flesh and blood woman behind the throne, under the crown, beyond the castle moat."

"Its use was restricted. It was a tender diminutive spoken only by those who knew and loved her."

"Lilibet was as much a part of the Queen’s personal identity as her Sunday hats and buckled shoes, her tweeds in the country and her cornflakes in Tupperware."

"And now it is no longer hers, its emotional exclusivity shattered; targeted and then blown apart like a clay pigeon. If we all instinctively understand its importance to HM, if even Noel Gallagher gets it — someone who is hardly a poster boy for the delicacies of family unity himself — why can’t Meghan and Harry understand the enormity of what they have done?"
"Thanks to their perhaps well-meaning but thoughtless cradle- snatch of the Queen’s childhood nickname, Lilibet has been devalued faster than a cryptocurrency."

"Once only used in intimate royal circles, now it is in the mouths of American TV hosts and radio shock jocks. It is on BBC bulletins and in newspaper headlines. It is the subject of furious legal letters and at the heart of an unedifying briefing war involving gloat and counter-gloat."
"Lilibet is now spoken of as a truculence, an affront, a protocol ram-raid, a misstep."
"The jury is still out on whether using the name for the new baby Sussex is a deliberate act of marketing strategy and self-interest or an innocent tribute from a loving grandson that has gone awry. No matter whose side you are on it is clear that whatever it was, it no longer is — its private significance lost forever to the braying world."

"When it comes to Lilibet, all bets are off."

"You have to wonder what the Queen must think of the loss of this term of endearment, on the eve of her official birthday and in the week that Prince Philip would have celebrated his 100th."

"She turned 95 in April, four days after burying her husband at Windsor Castle. Newly widowed and grieving, she could be forgiven for hoping for an extended period of peace and tranquillity in these late years of her life. God knows she has earned it."

"Yet through no fault of her own she is pitched from one Sussex-mangled calamity to the next."

"Poor Lilibet! She has conducted herself with impeccable discretion and good sense during a faultless 69-year-reign, but once more she is dragged into the bear pit by Harry and Meghan who somehow always do so much harm, under the guise of trying to do so much good."

"Baby Lilibet? It is the biggest case of name-napping since a friend introduced her daughter Apple to Mr and Mrs Gwyneth Paltrow, who then harvested the fruity moniker for their own child."

"What is puzzling is that if the Sussexes wanted to name their baby in honour of the Queen — and what a lovely thing to do — there are many non-contentious Elizabethan options."

"Heavens to Betsy! I lost count at 20, including Thea, Tess and Isabella, not to mention the lovely Scottish Elspeth and Ailsa, the French Elise plus a solid Beth, Liza with a Z, Busy Lizzie and Betty Boop to boot."

"But no, nothing would do but the one name that would do untold damage, the one name that should have been off-limits, the one name that anyone with a drop of sense would realise was personal, untouchable, just let it go."

"Like jewel thieves stealthily reaching in to unshackle the Cullinan Diamond from the grip of the State Crown, the Sussexes only wanted the best for themselves, the choice royal plum in the Windsor pudding."

"Despite their recent protestations about how much they hate the monarchy and all it represents, about how Harry felt trapped in his role as a prince and of his suffering because of the inadequate parenting practised by the Queen and bled down through the generations, here he still is, clutching at royal straws, determined to cling on to the ties that bind."

"Seasoned royal watchers know the use of Lilibet grants a dramatic royal presence in this child’s life. It also suggests the couple may want to associate themselves with the Queen and all she represents."

"HM’s duties are almost over, while theirs as a royal unit in exile are just beginning; an existence thronged with prospects and throbbing with opportunity."

"Even now, the Sussexes still don’t seem to grasp the essential divergence between celebrity and monarchy and that different rules apply, but they will take whatever they can get."

"The plunder of the name Lilibet was their solution to a complex problem of status and prestige, but the audacity might rebound on them yet."

But I don't expect those on here of the "no one owns a name" mentality to understand or 'get' the nuances of any of that.

Gorgeouslilgirl · 11/06/2021 21:51

Gosh, such drive!

"Like jewel thieves stealthily reaching in to unshackle the Cullinan Diamond from the grip of the State Crown, the Sussexes only wanted the best for themselves, the choice royal plum in the Windsor pudding."
😂😂

Gorgeouslilgirl · 11/06/2021 21:51

Drivel, I mean😂

CallmeHendricks · 11/06/2021 21:56

Well, as I said, I wouldn't expect some on here to get it.

Frownette · 11/06/2021 21:58

Unless the Queen says if she minds we wouldn't have a clue

LolaSmiles · 11/06/2021 22:03

I dont think misogyny comes into.it. they are both disliked equally by many people for various reasons.
If they didnt keep talking half truths and lies and being hypocritical by preaching love and peace whilst simultaneously stabbing people in the back things would go much better for them.
Frankly much of the shit show is of their own making.
I cant see why it would affect yours or anyone else's mental health though
This.

If they wanted to be free from the royal family, follow their own passions, do their own charitable venture then I'd wish them the best.

When public figures are creative with the truth, stir up drama in the press, and being hypocrites then they should be prepared when members of the public develop opinions of their public actions.

I don't see why anyone should be triggered by others calling bullshit on the actions of public figures.

C130 · 11/06/2021 22:07

Wow what utter tosh have I just wasted my time reading, by some Jan Moir person.

Roussette · 11/06/2021 22:18

Jan Moir is vile. I don't get anything she says at all. Look at the distress she caused to Stephen Gately's family after he died.
She's not someone I would listen to. Buckled shoes, cornflakes and tweeds, what crap.

Hopefully she'll go the way of Julie Burchill, now sacked

StartupRepair · 11/06/2021 23:29

When are Harry and Meghan going to be happy? They have cut off both families and family obligations, they have 2 lovely dc, a beautiful house and freedom to do whatever work they want. Yet their public life is a stream of law suits and interviews about their misery and terrible experiences.

bluebell34567 · 12/06/2021 00:28

@Darklane

I see nothing to indicate that the Queen is upset

Her flowers on Philips coffin had the one word Lillibet on the card & she specifically requested that nobody else used the name in future as it was very personal to her & her husband after her parents died.
I got this from a relative who is on the staff at Windsor.

voow.
Frownette · 12/06/2021 01:01

Ah I just looked up the Jan Moir article on Stephen Gately. Disgusting.

bluebell34567 · 12/06/2021 01:06

@StartupRepair

When are Harry and Meghan going to be happy? They have cut off both families and family obligations, they have 2 lovely dc, a beautiful house and freedom to do whatever work they want. Yet their public life is a stream of law suits and interviews about their misery and terrible experiences.
when their security is paid by taxpayers, when they get back all their royal patronages, titles back and be called HRH. when they get a slice of duchy funds and other income and dont need to work when their children are called Prince/princess when they are loved by everyone, when there is no negative press but only positive press about them when they are declared Holywood branch of royalty when H is declared next in line of succession......
bluebell34567 · 12/06/2021 01:07

all of the above together, not one by one.

Frownette · 12/06/2021 01:20

I think they own their house outright don't they?

bluebell34567 · 12/06/2021 01:30

no, but the deposit 5 million dollars paid by PC as far as i remember.

Frownette · 12/06/2021 01:37

I do find it peculiar that they don't seem to realise how privileged they are. I just googled and Harper's bazaar say they bought it outright.

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