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I think harry is really brave

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ssd · 21/05/2021 09:18

Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

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LeilaLiesLow · 22/05/2021 10:12

I still don't understand why Meghan was so unhappy which appears to be the reason their their escape to the US.

The racism is without real foundation IMO. (At least she wasn't pelted with buns which happened to Camilla.)

As a mature woman and an actress, you'd have thought that M could have coped with the duties of a royal wife. She wasn't remotely like Diana who was barely out of her teens when she married Charles, a virgin and had hardly worked.
Meghan had the opportunity to be a supportive wife, to ground Harry and make it work.

It's been alleged that Harry played down the responsibility of royal life or the limitations it might bring in order to fast-forward the marriage. If so, he's as guilty as anyone for her not coping.

Personally, I'm not convinced the marriage will last and H needs to be careful of cutting himself off from his family.

MajesticWhine · 22/05/2021 10:13

Why doesn't his dad get on a plane over there and try talking to his son instead of all this ridiculous stiff upper lip and brushing things under the carpet nonsense.

Because it would be revealed straight away to other parties and called "unproductive"

PegPeople · 22/05/2021 10:14

@Roussette

Peg How petty to call him a liar on that. Maybe it's just excited parenting about a word our child has said, haven't we all been there? A mean post on a parenting forum.
It's not petty though is it, its just one lie in a long list of more lies which makes it absolutely impossible to take anything they say as anything other than another lie... When you don't tell the truth about the little things why would you expect people to believe you're being truthful on the bigger things?
lollipoprainbow · 22/05/2021 10:14

The people I feel the most sympathy for in all of this are Charles, William and the Queen.

Mm maybe the queen but not Charles or William, Charles has his precious Camilla who never seemed to make a lot of effort with Meghan or Harry and seemed to be all for Kate and William, you never saw her interact at all with them at royal events. William is lucky to have married well and have amazing in laws with sadly Harry hasn't.

IcedPurple · 22/05/2021 10:15

@derxa

I'm sorry but of course it's a lie. How can it not be a bloody lie that his kids first word was crocodile (all 3 syllables). Unless his child had a severe speech delay and didn't start talking until he was over 2 or 3 I think it's quite clear it's not true. Yes 'crocodile' is a three syllable word. Perhaps they meant he said 'co die' or some such. As a former SALT I find it all very annoying. Are we meant to conclude that Archie is extremely advanced? It's these small details that cast doubt on their narrative.
Also, 'crocodile' starts with a consonant cluster, which usually come at a later stage in speech development.

And I agree on your broader point. It's all these little inconsistencies, if not outright fibs, that makes me wonder how anyone would uncritically believe a word these two say.

flapjackfairy · 22/05/2021 10:15

I cant find it now but someone made a comment about Harry promoting the idea that Meghan has saved him from his toxic family.
It made me reflect on the fact that initially Harry claimed his family were going to be the family Meghan never had. I e they were going to save her from her toxic family.
It brings it home how fluid they are in their interpretations and recollections of circumstances . Basically the narrative is spun to support whatever their latest claims are and along with the half truths and lies does nothing to help their credibility.

HotChoc10 · 22/05/2021 10:17

It's become quite uncomfortable to watch, he seems really quite unwell and would be better off resolving things in private.

LeilaLiesLow · 22/05/2021 10:20

@lollipoprainbow

The people I feel the most sympathy for in all of this are Charles, William and the Queen.

Mm maybe the queen but not Charles or William, Charles has his precious Camilla who never seemed to make a lot of effort with Meghan or Harry and seemed to be all for Kate and William, you never saw her interact at all with them at royal events. William is lucky to have married well and have amazing in laws with sadly Harry hasn't.

So the fact a father has a wife, is enough to protect them from having their 'bad parenting' aired to the world?

And your evidence that Charles and Camilla never made an 'effort' is based on what? A few carefully chosen photos for the media? Or are you aware of their social diaries and how often they had dinner together at Clarence House?

goldierocks · 22/05/2021 10:21

Perhaps 'lie' is too strong a word. To state that your child's first words were "crocodile" and "grandma Diana" could accurately be described as extremely statisically unlikely

Baby Talk Milestones

Baby talk at 3 months.At 3 months, your baby listens to your voice, watches your face as you talk, and turns toward other voices, sounds, and music that can be heard around the home. Many infants prefer a woman's voice over a man's. Many also prefer voices and music they heard while they were still in the womb. By the end of three months, babies begin "cooing" -- a happy, gentle, repetitive, sing-song vocalisation.

Baby talk at 6 months.At 6 months, your baby begins babbling with different sounds. For example, your baby may say "ba-ba" or "da-da." By the end of the sixth or seventh month, babies respond to their own names, recognise their native language, and use their tone of voice to tell you they're happy or upset. Some eager parents interpret a string of "da-da" babbles as their baby's first words -- "daddy!" But babbling at this age is usually still made up of random syllables without real meaning or comprehension.

Baby talk at 9 months.After 9 months, babies can understand a few basic words like "no" and "bye-bye." They also may begin to use a wider range of consonant sounds and tones of voice.

Baby talk at 12-18 months.Most babies say a few simple words like "mama" and "dadda" by the end of 12 months and now know what they're saying. They respond to or at least understand, if not obey -- your short, one-step requests such as, "Please put that down."

Baby talk at 18 months.Babies at this age say several simple words and can point to people, objects, and body parts you name for them. They repeat words or sounds they hear you say, like the last word in a sentence. But they often leave off endings or beginnings of words. For example, they may say "daw" for "dog" or "noo-noo's" for "noodles."

Baby talk at 2 years.By age 2, babies string together a few words in short phrases of two to four words, such as "Mommy bye-bye" or "me milk." They're learning that words mean more than objects like "cup" -- they also mean abstract ideas like "mine."

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legofootcasualty · 22/05/2021 10:22

@lollipoprainbow

The people I feel the most sympathy for in all of this are Charles, William and the Queen.

Mm maybe the queen but not Charles or William, Charles has his precious Camilla who never seemed to make a lot of effort with Meghan or Harry and seemed to be all for Kate and William, you never saw her interact at all with them at royal events. William is lucky to have married well and have amazing in laws with sadly Harry hasn't.

It was reported at the time that Camilla took Meghan out to lunch to advise her on how to handle the press.

And what's wrong with Harry's inlaws? Her dad fine but Doria was over for the wedding and seemingly had a good relationship with them, no mention of how she might have supported her daughter through these mental health struggles

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 22/05/2021 10:23

Why doesn't his dad get on a plane over there and try talking to his son instead of all this ridiculous stiff upper lip and brushing things under the carpet nonsense.

There is this small matter of the pandemic as well.

SirVixofVixHall · 22/05/2021 10:24

@LeilaLiesLow

I think Harry is being very unfair to his father and the RF about their parenting.

I'm closer to Charles' age not Harry's and can remember a lot which other posters here are maybe too young to know of.

Charles and Diana tried hard to break the pattern of parenting which they'd had.

Charles did not pack his sons off to Gordonstoun. They went to school near home. They took them on royal tours, even as babies, compared to the Queen who left her children with nannies for months. They exposed them to people in need, visiting the homeless for example.

None of us can choose our parents and all of us carry the baggage of our own upbringing. [Hello Philip Larkin's poem.]

Harry's downfall is he never really had a role in life and he never got over his mother's death or stopped blaming others for it.

He wasn't academic, he was always going to be 'the spare to the heir' for a while, but he had the time, means and money to be a playboy. That's a bad combination. If he had stayed in the RAF it may have worked for him because it gave him a purpose, structure and a 'family'.

He had the chance to have a nice life- a minimum of royal duties, where he would promote MH, help the Heroes, Invicta Games, and also enjoying the vast wealth that came with being royal.

The public liked him as the more interesting 'naughty' son.

But when he met M, it seemed to fuel his unhappiness and make him focus on what wasn't to his liking, rather than making the best of what he could have.

If he wanted to leave and be out of the limelight, fine.
But to ask for privacy, detest the media, and yet sell his soul via US TV- no, that's not bravery, it's stupidity.

Yea, I agree with this. I am in my fifties and I remember the way that the princes were brought up. I am sure that like all of us, Prince Charles must have made mistakes as a father, but Princess Diana made them too. She isn’t here to blame, so everything is thrown onto Charles. Both Harry and Meghan seem extremely spoilt and entitled to me. I think he has been encouraged in feeling like a victim and reframing everything to fit that narrative, when he should be looking at the world and counting his blessings. He is not very intelligent, and it seems has latched onto his upbringing as the reason for his feelings of dissatisfaction. Yet he is a fully adult man and a father. Fine to privately get support if he is struggling, but this seems more like a very indulged pair of people, not used to being told “no”. Everyone criticises the upper class stiff upper lip, but I have seen myself that this also has a good side. Not making a drama out of things, soldiering on in adversity, these can be really helpful life skills in situations where the only thing that really helps is time.
MrsWhites · 22/05/2021 10:25

Imagine the ‘AIBU’ - ‘am I being unreasonable to think my PFB is exceptionally advanced because his first words were crocodile, Hydrate and Grandma?’

That poster would get absolutely annihilated on here!

3Britnee · 22/05/2021 10:33

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didofido · 22/05/2021 10:33

@Roussette

Archie's first words etc

How do you know that was a lie?!

I daren't tell you what one of my DC's first word was. Equivalent type of thing.

I found it believable. My younger son's first word was "kan - ga- roo. His favourite toy
3Britnee · 22/05/2021 10:33

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 22/05/2021 10:34

Imagine the ‘AIBU’ - ‘am I being unreasonable to think my PFB is exceptionally advanced because his first words were crocodile, Hydrate and Grandma?’

That poster would get absolutely annihilated on here

Annihilation would only happen after people stopped laughing.

I had a strange third word. Still only two syllables though.

KeflavikAirport · 22/05/2021 10:35

Personally I think what would be really brave of him would be to acknowledge his massive privilege and spend his efforts campaigning for greater access to mental health care. Put a bit of money where his mouth is.

KeflavikAirport · 22/05/2021 10:36

My first word was a full sentence, fwiw...

derxa · 22/05/2021 10:39

I found it believable.My younger son's first word was "kan - ga- roo. His favourite toy
I believe you. But I bet he didn't use an adult version of that word. In the develomental acquisition of speech sounds /r/ is one of the last to be acquired.

Cinclus · 22/05/2021 10:39

Hopefully this is it now, the mental health series is out there, he's done the promotion for it. Now maybe they can be a bit less active in the media, concentrate on the family and good works. And we can all forget about them 🤞

IcedPurple · 22/05/2021 10:40

Personally, I'm not convinced the marriage will last and H needs to be careful of cutting himself off from his family.

I think that ship has sailed.

SueSaid · 22/05/2021 10:41

@HotChoc10

It's become quite uncomfortable to watch, he seems really quite unwell and would be better off resolving things in private.
It is uncomfortable. When his latest interview is shown on the news you just get a sinking feeling and think oh no someone please stop this circus. It isn't helping anyone. In fact I think he will be doing himself so much more damage that he will then need therapy for..
SheldonesqueTheBstard · 22/05/2021 10:42

I think that ship has sailed

Accompanied by a ticking crocodile. 🐊 ⏰

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