I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

Pretty much everything I've thought has already been said so eloquently on this thread however a question no one ever seems to be able to answer succinctly is how does anyone who agrees with them and their actions know which bits they say are true?

They have both come out with some absolute whoppers of lies, often about really trivial things so why would anyone ever trust anything that comes out of their mouths to be in any way accurate?

How can anyone possibly trust their statements, interviews or podcasts to contain anything truthfull when they are so casual with lying?

Yes, even the lie that they married before the royal wedding was weird. If they were not sure of English law why not check it out before saying it?

unfairly targeted

Right. Because we can see them doing the loyal-Royal thing, and making a contribution to the country that was so willing to support them, if only they'd played along.

'Unfairly targeted' my arse.

The problem is in part that he is now living somewhere where psychiatry is a growth industry and a very competitive one, and it is in the interests of psychiatrists and therapists - particularly those catering for celebrity clients - to foster their clients' belief that they have serious problems. I'm quit uneasy about how much of this genuinely comes from Harry and how much has been planted on him by potentially rapacious therapists.

So Diana's friends were put off from contacting the Prince 's after her death, so they were cut off from those who loved her and could have kept her memory alive?

Why would anyone do that when a parent dies like this the natural instinct is to hold onto people who knew them.

One example of perhaps not the kindest moves made after her death to young grieving boys.

There pre marriage was a very poorly made statement, but I think they meant they had a private "moment" before the wedding, not in legal terms but that was their wedding.

I just can’t see past the ‘we want privacy’ but then selling your soul to Oprah for $millions.

He says his worst fear is his wife coming to the same end as his mother, so why not go and seek help for your mental health and live a lovely quiet life in California with your family instead of constantly courting the media with more and more family gossip. Very little of what he says in these interviews will have any impact on mental health awareness.

Also, how much of his fee from Oprah is he donating to mental health charities?

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

There pre marriage was a very poorly made statement, but I think they meant they had a private "moment" before the wedding, not in legal terms but that was their wedding.

Which makes very little sense but even if we discount this statement they have still lied so many times about other really trivial stuff such as when he started getting therapy and Archie's first words etc so how on earth can someone come to the conclusion any of the big shocking revelations they are coming out with is accurate or truthful?

@lollipoprainbow

Why doesn't his dad get on a plane over there and try talking to his son instead of all this ridiculous stiff upper lip and brushing things under the carpet nonsense. He's clearly struggling.

You'd think so but Charles can't trust either of them now. Any of their interactions will be leaked to 'friends' and twisted.

Very little of what he says in these interviews will have any impact on mental health awareness

You don't know that do you? I have seen endless supportive comments from others. It isn't all hate.

It is a shame that in the first years of their marriage, with a toddler and a baby due soon, there is just so much unhappiness, so many tears at night and so much anger. This should be a happy time in their lives and it is full of misery, law suits and cutting ties with family.

As I said way upthread, all this vitriol towards Charles and the rest of them was unleashed when the purse strings were cut.

Simple as that.

Archie's first words etc

How do you know that was a lie?!

I daren't tell you what one of my DC's first word was. Equivalent type of thing.

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

There pre marriage was a very poorly made statement, but I think they meant they had a private "moment" before the wedding, not in legal terms but that was their wedding.

Poor Archbishop of Canterbury having to put up with that drivel.

The people I feel the most sympathy for in all of this are Charles, William and the Queen.

All families have their ups and downs. I regret loads of my parenting skills - or lack of them- when my boys were teenagers and pressing all my buttons. I am sure all parents know they could have done things better.

But at least that is private.

To have it played out on a world stage, where the media pour over your every revelation must be unbearable. To criticise generations of parenting and blame them for what you feel now...

Charles and the Queen are coping with the loss of Philip and Charles was clearly distraught at the funeral. No matter how short he fell in Harry's eyes as a father, he doesn't deserve this and I have no idea how he is coping.

All it does it make Harry look uncaring, selfish and totally lacking in emotional intelligence (which he'd have us believe he has in bucket loads.)

@MrsWhites
" I just can't see past the " We want privacy" but then selling your soul to Oprah for $millions."

Me neither.

@MrsWhites exactly...if you want to leave then go to California and live privately, become a mental health philanthropist, talk about YOUR mental health by all means but don't slander your family. Don't complain that daddy is mean because he's not funding your lifestyle anymore (why should he, you're no longer part of the family business) and sell private details for profit.

This is all about them, nothing to do with mental health or activism.

@lollipoprainbow.
I see your point but it would be hard for Charles to fly over to try and sort it out given the fact that every conversation recently has found it's way into the public domain via friends of the couple. And they are v good at spinning it in such a way that it makes other people look like they are in the wrong. They also play fast and loose with the truth at times ( such as Harry's comment that they tried for 4 yrs to make their roles work in the RF when I fact it was barely 2 yrs before they jumped ship and in the grand scheme of things they did v few engagements overall ) . So v hard to have an honest discussion face to face or otherwise when dealing with all that
Their best option in my opinion would be mediation and family counselling if people were prepared to engage alongside a watertight contract forbidding leaks to the world at large but so sad to think families interactions would have to be so formal.

Yes, Harry made a statement when they were just dating asking the Press to stop.
Yet the RF did nothing

This isn't right - William made a statement at the time in support of Harry's support of Meghan.

Plus there have been other times they have refuted stories about Meghan (like the diet pills). Obviously they wouldn't refute stories that are true, and if their motivation is as you suggest, protecting the institution, then obviously it's more important to look after Kate's image as she is going to be Queen consort, whereas Meghan is relatively unimportant to the "business". Plus they are more likely to respond to requests for action from William than Harry, because William is going to be King. The approach has always been to let stories fade by engaging as little as possible and it's not necessarily personal - they are all just cogs in the Royal Family wheel and of course the 6th in line to the throne is not going to be treated in the same way as the future king and his wife.

A friend of mine has a daughter in her 20's who suffers with anxiety and depression. To date she has not been able to see a psychiatrist on the NHS, (and she was referred by her GP last year), only telephone consultations. And she's on a waiting list for a Community Psychiatric Nurse. The only real help she's had is medication, despite feeling suicidal at times.
We can have all the World Mental Health days we like, and "celebrities" can pontificate in the media about mental health, but it's all piffle if the resources aren't there, which clearly in some areas they aren't.
I'm not going to add my opinions of M&H to all the others on here, but I would have more respect for Harry if he used his fame, (and maybe a bit of dosh), to campaign for better mental health services here, or even help set something up, if the issue is that important to him.
It's nowhere near the same thing, but M&H are setting up a relief centre in India, so there are things that can be done.

@Roussette

Archie's first words etc

How do you know that was a lie?!

I daren't tell you what one of my DC's first word was. Equivalent type of thing.

I'm sorry but of course it's a lie. How can it not be a bloody lie that his kids first word was crocodile (all 3 syllables). Unless his child had a severe speech delay and didn't start talking until he was over 2 or 3 I think it's quite clear it's not true.

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

There pre marriage was a very poorly made statement, but I think they meant they had a private "moment" before the wedding, not in legal terms but that was their wedding.

She said quite explicitly that 'we were married' 3 days before the wedding. Being married has a very clear, unambiguous legal and religious meaning. She was lying, and also dragged the Archbishop of Canterbury into her lies.

Also, describing as a 'spectacle' her actual wedding, which cost the British taxpayer millions and saw thousands line the streets of Windsor to cheer her, was incredibly ungracious. And going by her grinning like the cat that got the cream that day, it didn't seem like she was too unhappy about it the time.

’I’ve got a photo up in his nursery… and it was one of the first words that he said. Apart from “mama”, “papa”, it was then “grandma”, “grandma Diana”.

Wonder if this was before or after crocodile and hydrate...

My first word was embellishment.

Peg
How petty to call him a liar on that. Maybe it's just excited parenting about a word our child has said, haven't we all been there?
A mean post on a parenting forum.

I'm sorry but of course it's a lie. How can it not be a bloody lie that his kids first word was crocodile (all 3 syllables). Unless his child had a severe speech delay and didn't start talking until he was over 2 or 3 I think it's quite clear it's not true. Yes 'crocodile' is a three syllable word. Perhaps they meant he said 'co die' or some such. As a former SALT I find it all very annoying. Are we meant to conclude that Archie is extremely advanced? It's these small details that cast doubt on their narrative.