I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

I think he'd be brave if he gave up his titles and paid his own way in life, by doing anything other than whining about being royal.

I think Harry is becoming a bore.

They both are, and with each utterance they alienate people even more. I don't live in the UK but have heard many people say while they thought Meghan was a breath of fresh air to begin with they have since changed their minds. The constant whining and blaming everyone but themselves for their perceived misfortunes has well and truly worn thin, especially now when so many ordinary people are struggling. It's hard to feel sorry for them tbh.

I agree with you OP. He is brave to stick his neck out and tell it as it is and he's not afraid of the press or the firm anymore.

I don’t think this is anything do do with therapy. He’s taking the RF down and good luck to him on that score, I’d like to be shot of them all.

He s an arse. I wish him and his wife would disappear But he has a lifestyle to fund and what better way to do it than to trash your family. He is using the media - a media he was so desperate to escape from and caused him so much misery.
Diana would be so proud - not a chance, I am not a royalist by any means but l feel so sorry for Charles right now. Publicly condemned by a son who several years ago told the world they had a close relationship.
The couple need help with their mental health but Oprah is not the answer.

The impression I get is that Harry thinks that the Royal Family, or the administration behind the Royal Family should have 'stopped' the negative press He and especially Meghan received.
However, much of the negative press was in the form of Twitter comments, or comment on an article 'below the line'. Yes, in some cases, articles have comments switched off.
Also, they lambasted the press, just at a time when they had both received very positive press after their tour of somewhere.
In some instances the press have been warned (when they were still dating, I think).
But generally, in a country with a free press, a lot of the coverage is out of the RF's control.
Harry clearly loathes Charles (possibly because his finances have been cut), and this seems to be his way of getting his revenge.
I said elsewhere, that in my view, I think this is a failure of upbringing, in that 2nd sons, do not seem to have any other employment.
In the 'old days', a Dukedom, would come with a large estate, (which then provided the income), but these days Harry's title is just a formality, and apart from the military, he has not actually been trained to do anything.

Harry wasn't under the auspices of the RF during his time in the military: or was he. Is it the case that the RF admin do all the talking for the members of the RF, and say, that they are fine for military service, and not at all fragile. Are royal protection measures making a buffer between army rigours and the VIP?. Are the usual army vetting processes circumnavigated? Quite possibly, given what we are hearing.

He's not talking to the media, he's talking to the public, and the public are bored of the whining and are turning on him. How's that going to help his mental health?

and he is not even speaking to the British public, he is speaking to a middle class American public with private health insurance.

I think Harry's conversation should better be had with the RF - saying 'This could have been done better. Try to make some changes before the next generation reach adulthood.'. Personally, I don't think some of his revelations are best made publically.

I am interested in the posts that talk about the RF as toxic and dysfunctional - like it's full of Hitlers and Myra Hindleys. It's not actually like any of us really know what they are like....

How more toxic and dysfunctional are they then the families of many of us of this site?

This is my family:

• domestic abuse
• sexual abuse
• abuse of alcohol and drugs
• open marriages
• a number of kids not the bio child of their mothers husbands
• number of kids abandoned by their mothers
• number of relatives have served time in prison
• refusal to allow kids to see their fathers
• teenage pregnancy and marriages (was very common with my lot!)
• affairs
• fraud-stealing (between family members)
• number of periods of NC between close family members

Would you feel we were toxic or dysfunctional? Yet we are a family who all got through the above.

I'm not saying you have to accept it or just get on with it. I'm not saying this stuff doesn't leave scars as it does - I'm just saying the RF isn't especially toxic-dysfunctional.

I am irritated by the use of terms like freedom or escape - he wasn't a prisoner but mulling it over I now think I can appreciate the way of life is such that living a different life must be so huge, so different and that perhaps he couldn't imagine living a different way and that is what he means.

I am not asking him to not talk but like his resigning, it's the way he's gone about it and keeps blaming others that grates on me.

I still don't understand why it's his family's job to get his wife 'help' - why for example didnt Doria or The best friend not have any responsibility?

I also don't get why they didn't take the first yes of their marriage like Kate and William did down in wales. The engagement interview was all let's get stuck in, changing job of acting to job of RF - who was deciding that?

Like after the Oprah interview i ask is this it now? Or do we have more books, interviews and podcasts and to what end?

If he were my son I'd be saying 'let's talk when you are ready to talk to just me. I love you but I can't support how you are going about this as hurting people like your grandmother who don't deserve this plus we are custodians of a thousand year old institution that you are bringing into disrepute and that isn't fair either in my mind. So the door is always open but I don't think you are in the right place now for us to work on this so let's respect each other's space for now'

No one is listening to those interviews for insight on mental health. It's entirely about his one and only USP - finally hearing the dirty secrets of the royal family. People saying otherwise are kidding themselves.

The only person they had a good word about in the earlier interview was the Queen. Yet here they are making a few quid to fund a 'lifestyle' instead of, you know, getting an actual job like everyone else at the saddest moment in his grandmother's life. Selfish and entirely inappropriate.

A friend of my cousin's was quite close pals with Harry from his army days and had stayed in touch. He changed his phone number (which apparently isn't an infrequent occurrence because of security), some time after the engagement, and completely cut people off. Cousin's friend accepts that friendships change and die off, but he's said that a lot of his friends were very concerned about Harry even before the engagement.
I think he is angry, vulnerable, easily manipulated and arrogant. I'm sure he has mental health problems, but therapy by Oprah is not the way to go about solving them. He doesn't look like a happy man, and I think it's very sad.

No one is listening to those interviews for insight on mental health

Exactly. And if they did they’d be sorely disappointed because he talks very little about mental health, therapy, treatments, recovery, behavioural issues, impacts on others etc.

No one is saying gosh Harry is really helping me, I’m going to try x y and z, I now understand x better, or whatever. It’s all about him dishing the dirt on his family. “His truth”.

He’s angry and resentful that they didn’t support Meghan more in his view, blame them for him having to make the call to move with her then thinks because they didn’t support him monetising his position and removed his titles etc, didn’t let him do the part time royal thing,that it’s their fault he’s in this position so he’s screwing them over in return and on the attack.

I have mentioned this before, the extraordinary arrogance is thinking being brave about his MH will help anybody, other than himself (and Oprah of course)

Good point @Diverseopinions when he was in the army he was largely free from his royal ‘prison’. So to say he was trapped all his life is a bit of a weird perspective on it.
I was on the same base as him for a while and he lived the same as everyone else. He seemed free and happy and speaks very fondly of his time in the army.
The other thing I don’t get, don’t any of these incredibly rich people (Harry or Meghan) have access to the NHS or some private health care to seek talking therapies? Why was Charles expected to provide them with health care?

I think Harry is being very unfair to his father and the RF about their parenting.

I'm closer to Charles' age not Harry's and can remember a lot which other posters here are maybe too young to know of.

Charles and Diana tried hard to break the pattern of parenting which they'd had.

Charles did not pack his sons off to Gordonstoun. They went to school near home. They took them on royal tours, even as babies, compared to the Queen who left her children with nannies for months. They exposed them to people in need, visiting the homeless for example.

None of us can choose our parents and all of us carry the baggage of our own upbringing. [Hello Philip Larkin's poem.]

Harry's downfall is he never really had a role in life and he never got over his mother's death or stopped blaming others for it.

He wasn't academic, he was always going to be 'the spare to the heir' for a while, but he had the time, means and money to be a playboy. That's a bad combination. If he had stayed in the RAF it may have worked for him because it gave him a purpose, structure and a 'family'.

He had the chance to have a nice life- a minimum of royal duties, where he would promote MH, help the Heroes, Invicta Games, and also enjoying the vast wealth that came with being royal.

The public liked him as the more interesting 'naughty' son.

But when he met M, it seemed to fuel his unhappiness and make him focus on what wasn't to his liking, rather than making the best of what he could have.

If he wanted to leave and be out of the limelight, fine.
But to ask for privacy, detest the media, and yet sell his soul via US TV- no, that's not bravery, it's stupidity.

I have no strong feelings either way about the Royal Family but to me all the slating of Harry seems pretty hypocritical as when Diana did the same thing the whole country was shouting poor Diana bad Royals now it's poor Royals bad Harry, I personally don't see the difference, they were both telling their truth, we're not part of the inner circle so are unlikely to ever know the whole story

He's speaking to the media, who are the people he is blaming for the whole mess in the first place.

So who is the manipulative one now???

Am I understanding it correctly that Harry is saying racism played a part in death of his mother ? Or the scrutiny at the time?

Dodi was not the first PoC Diana had a relationship with I recall but was a bit too young to have observed racist undertones about that - although not surprised if there were.

But I don't recall it being of a significance to people that her press coverage (always substantial) or her death had this as a factor

I am cautious about how to interpret Harry's reason for framing it this way other than to create a connection with him and his wife - on one hand I can appreciate that on another I feel a bit manipulated I think

Both he and Meghan are incredibly petulant. Neither of them have ever taken responsibility for anything, not even a smidge. It's all pointing fingers, and there is just no humility there. They feel very sorry for themselves indeed.

However, much of the negative press was in the form of Twitter comments, or comment on an article 'below the line'. Yes, in some cases, articles have comments switched off

In some instances the press have been warned (when they were still dating, I think).
But generally, in a country with a free press, a lot of the coverage is out of the RF's control

So disagree with all of this. Yes, Harry made a statement when they were just dating asking the Press to stop.
Yet the RF did nothing and you say it is out of their control.... not the case given they have made repeated statements denying bad press on Kate (botox, hair extensions or whatever)
The Palace press team didn’t just issue corrections in response to fake stories that she wore hair extensions — they got the Daily Mail to take down its story. And that's not an isolated incident.

If you don't believe me, have a read of the link below. I doubt detractors will actually want to read it.
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He’s angry and resentful that they didn’t support Meghan more in his view
I'm not surprised. I'd be furious.

Also have to say... the nasty insults and name calling of him and her on this thread are disgusting. If you can't get your point across without calling Harry every name under the sun, you really don't have a point....
Hopefully MNHQ spots and deletes.

"I thought my family would help, but every single ask, request, warning, whatever it is, just got met with total silence or total neglect."

Is there a context to this?

As it stands it doesn't seem to make sense.

Ask, request, warning-for/about what?

There's no doubt that he has had a difficult/troubled ubpringing but he doesn't seem to realise that there are somethings that as an adult you get help for yourself, not ask the family that are the problem!

"Free and happy people do not behave like this"

If only had some way of making money or living off what he has then he perhaps wouldn't have to.

@SpanishLady

Am I understanding it correctly that Harry is saying racism played a part in death of his mother ? Or the scrutiny at the time?

Dodi was not the first PoC Diana had a relationship with I recall but was a bit too young to have observed racist undertones about that - although not surprised if there were.

But I don't recall it being of a significance to people that her press coverage (always substantial) or her death had this as a factor

I am cautious about how to interpret Harry's reason for framing it this way other than to create a connection with him and his wife - on one hand I can appreciate that on another I feel a bit manipulated I think

Yes, he is. And that's ludicrous.

Diana had countless men on the go, many of them married, including a Dr who was Asian.
The only criticism of Dodi was he was the son of the owner of Harrods who wasn't exactly loved. And he had a reputation as a playboy.

The relationship with Dodi was very short. I recall it clearly and there was no racism in the comments. If there was anything, it was the fact he was the son of a shopkeeper, albeit a very posh shop.

Diana was killed by a drunken driver and she didn't wear a seat belt. It was tragic, but the colour of her then boyfriend's skin was not the issue.