I think harry is really brave

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Talking about his mental health. Starting talking is the hardest bit. I have to start the conversation and i cant. And i can usually talk for Britain.
I admire him.

At least we know the press are ‘good’ at their job. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Also he says something about going to "them" (the queen? The Men in Suits?) several times to ask "them" to stop "it".

I'm assuming that he's talking about the awful press and comments MM was getting. My question is, how could anyone have stopped it? I know there were statements made condemning the racism and asking for it to stop, made by the palace. What else could they have done about random comments made online?

Its not clear which they are getting at, he needs to make it clear, the courtiers? The people who run the show behind the scenes? Charles?

I think they firmly ruled the queen out... One gets the impression that the royals are puppets, ruled by extraordinarily powerful shadowy figures.

I like him speaking out BUT, I hope he just remembers what he says will be serenity for ever more by his dc.

@KaleSlayer

At least we know the press are ‘good’ at their job. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't base my opinion on what the press says.

I base my opinions on what members of the RF actually do.

In the case of H&M that means their statements, interviews and press releases.

The idea that anyone critical of them has been hoodwinked by the gutter press is a lazy argument.

“ If they were unreasonable it's perhaps not surprising they were treated with silence and neglect.”

Silence and neglect is not an emotionally healthy way to deal with perceived unreasonable demands. Who decides what is reasonable anyway?

The RF is a bizarre clunky old business, it needs a water shed modernisation and maybe this is it.
Charles whilst seems like a much warmer human person than his own dp I imagine wasn't a huge support to how own sons.

Well, when you've politely explained why someone's demands cannot be met a few times, then comes avoidance, silence and then anger. If someone won't listen why would you keep repeating yourself?

One of the things I have witnessed with my DD (who has complex mental health problems) is that when the emotion she experiences in connection with an event is very strong, that actually becomes her memory of the event.

I mean if someone says something such as "That's not how you do it. Do it like this" and that makes her feel that they think she's stupid. She might remember the event convinced the person actually said "God you're stupid! Don't do it like that, do it like this."

Her memory of the emotion of the event is "her truth".

I think Harry may have experienced something like this. He may have experienced an overwhelming sense of hopelessness and remembers it as no-one helping (for example).

I don’t see much bravery in a grown man portraying himself as a victim and pointing blaming fingers at people he knows cannot defend themselves for his own poor behaviour.

Brave would acknowledging how his own thoughts, words, and behaviour have affected his life and getting help to improve his future.

Getting help doesn’t mean humiliating your family on tv for $$$$$.

CauliflowerCheese30

I read that in the press earlier and snorted. There is no way that child’s next word after mama was ‘Grandma Diana’. They are just making crap up now. But if by any chance it was true it would be really bloody dysfunctional if a baby was talking more about a dead person than the more usual first words like ‘dada’ or bye, teddy etc.

Very insightful Lublin, I agree it's very possible.

Agree with you OP. Feel so sorry for him.

You’re absolutely right.

It all seems a desperate attempt to stay relevant- which neither of them are. The fact that most of the interview is about his wife, and concerns for his wife, is fair enough- but throwing your own family repeatedly and public ally under the bus will have an affect. You can't do it and expect everyone to applause and ignore. You don't want to be a part of the RF- no problem. But continually lambasting in the media seems silly. Two adults who are both estranged from large swathes of their families- but it's everyone else's fault. And 5 years of therapy doesn't seem to have done much for Harry. I'd be looking for a new therapist and less televised tapping.....

@DelilahDingleberry

“ If they were unreasonable it's perhaps not surprising they were treated with silence and neglect.”

Silence and neglect is not an emotionally healthy way to deal with perceived unreasonable demands. Who decides what is reasonable anyway?

Really?

When dealing with my DS having a toddler meltdown the most effective way to resolve it was to ignore it.

When an adult is throwing their weight around making ridiculous demands I react in a similar fashion rather than give their MO traction by acknowledging it.

As for who decides what is reasonable....

Well obviously I've no direct insight but if we look at the demands of their "exit" manifesto which H&M presumably thought was very reasonable then on the balance of probabilities I'm not inclined to automatically assume that all the "asks" were appropriate.

@supermoonrising

Meghan Markel has got more vitriol from the British public and media for being an outspoken African American woman than Prince Andrew has for dodgy acts with underage girls in the house of a prolific paedophile.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive...

Prince Andrew is clearly not a good man for his choice of friends and should return to the States so he can be questioned about the allegations put by Virginia Roberts Guiffre.

That doesn’t mean Prince Harry is automatically some sort of hero, immune from criticism. I’m sorry to say that none of his and Meghan’s stories add up. Take a step back from thinking “Ah ha! That’ll show those pesky posh people!” and it’s clear he’s acting like a petulant brat. He always has been, but until now the Palace has covered up his mess. Nothing he had said will actually help people with mental illness. It’s all about merching himself as some sort of wellness guru, selling some mental health phone apps, while sticking the knife into his family. I’m not quite sure what William and Catherine did to deserve his vitriol. I’m not a royalist or a huge fan of theirs, but it seems as if William also lost his mother and Kate also faced tears of press intrusion. Yet they’ve quietly got on with the business of opening day centres and shaking hands with Beryl in Bradford.

I think their feelings are valid in most cases, she was treated appallingly, he had a hard childhood, Charles not being a bit distant, etc.

I genuinely feel for both of them, I want them to be happy. But, I think they're blaming the wrong people, and it's causing so much unjustified pain.

The problem here is Harry's past trauma, he's so traumatized by losing his Mum so terrified that will happen to his wife he seems to have lost the ability to think clearly.

I feel for him, but this isn't helping anyone, least of all Meghan who doesn't need anymore of this.

He is being abused in a mental sense - use by many who only see a quick buck when they see him coming. Oprah, the parasite of misfortune. From personal experience with suicide, a person who is about to commit suicide does not then a few months later take on an establishment like the royal family (meanwhile earning millions from it) and be able to do well rehearsed interviews. It's not a light switch mental state that suddenly switches. It's a long road. To be earning money off bringing your family down, monetising mental health issues and using the race card to try to censor those responding to the biggest grift in history is beyond despicable and OP, I am so sorry that people like you can't see the bigger picture, I seriously wonder about some individuals intelligence.

To be honest he seems quite unwell (PTSD?) to me and vulnerable. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a breakdown in the coming years, esp once he's run out of things to say and the Americans are no longer interested in him. He has a limited shelf life.

I don't think this 'therapy' or living in the US is helping at all. He insists he is happier now but he clearly can't get over this burning sense of injustice he's been carrying around for years. Free and happy people do not behave like this.

@ArgyleIsle

I think it would also be healthy for him to recognise that Diana was not an innocent as far as the press were concerned. She rang them to take photos of her when she wanted

And that his dad is an adulterer and with Camilla are also responsible.

You need more than two hands to count the number of affairs Diana had during the marriage. Mostly with other married men.

Any telling of the tale which suggests it’s all Charles’ fault is way off the mark.

Camilla is great. She’s had to put up with such crap from the Diana crazies and she just gets on with the job.

@Endlesscleaning

He seems unhappier now and more lost than he ever did in the royal family.

I agree with this. He seems like someone who needs structure, and now looks adrift.

Free and happy people do not behave like this.

👏👏👏

That tapping and breathing stuff ..... Jesus

It’s snowballed
He seems all over the place to me and I don’t see that abandoning the (parts of) the lifestyle that was killing them has brought any more answers.

I’ve always thought if he had ended up with a double barrelled Hone County blonde this wouldn’t be happening.

Perhaps I’m wrong and that not to minimise the pain of some of his experiences but this doesn’t add up to me. He has a puppet master and it’s not The Firm

This is a very good article by The Guardian:
www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/may/21/the-me-you-cant-see-review-prince-harry-oprah-winfrey-mental-health-apple-tv

Surprisingly scathing considering TG have always been extremely pro H&M and obviously at odds with DM tabloid trash. The passage below nails it basically.

However real and affecting their experiences and difficulties are (and all those in Say It Out Loud are genuine, passionately articulated and frequently deeply moving), celebrity offerings valorise simply “telling your story”, not judging yourself and others, refusing to accept stigma and so on. Which is all well and good and necessary but does absolutely nothing to address how ordinary people are supposed to achieve this when the waiting lists for the services they need to access stretch to infinity, and the funding for them is cut to the bone.

1. Celeb "raises awareness" by getting paid millions to confess painful personal anecdotes for Netflix. Fully agree with PPs that Harry is being manipulated or abused by many around him to monetise his story and pain.

2. Through this incredible state of "raised awareness", some normal, people feel encouraged to seek help for their own MH problems.

3. Phone up their GPs or family doctors. Waiting lists full aside from acutely suicidal or psychotic cases. All other forms of therapy like the tapping EMDR are private.

4. Back to square one. At best they may end up with a prescription for anti-depressants but left to muddle through the side effects or withdrawal phase alone by a GP not actually specialising in psychiatry.