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Does it make someone a LGBTQ ally if they wear the pride lanyard but object when a transgender person uses their restroom ?

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thecatmother · 11/05/2021 20:29

In my workplace we are very open and inclusive and many colleagues chose to wear their IDs on the Pride lanyards and are very active participants in all the Pride related events.
So far so peaceful, or so I thought, we had a new colleague joining recently, it is a lady who is transitioning from being born a man. She is very polite and just gets on with her work and day. I wasn't surprised to see her using the Ladies, unfortunately a number of my colleagues have formed an opinion about that. The management has been supporting the new colleague, and they held "conversations " with the complaining parties.
However, those people are still wearing their Pride lanyards, I can't get my head around that. The lanyards are purely on volunteer basis, we have generic ones. I generally wonder whether they actually realise that being an ally is not about getting drunk on Pride , but actually to be supportive to the people of LGBTQ.

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FromHereToModernity · 12/05/2021 18:52

Disagreeing with people is not hostility. How precious are some people that the mere presence of debate and questioning means hostility to them.

It's LITERAL VIOLETS. With a twist of white and green.

WoolOfBat · 12/05/2021 18:53

Erikrie, that is not how it works! Nice is an internal feeling of how I perceive my relationship with the world. If I say that I am nice, that means that I am nice.

Try to be a bit more understanding and educate yourself.

stonecat · 12/05/2021 18:56

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NotTerfNorCis · 12/05/2021 18:57

I am nicefluid, right now I'm nasty-identifying.

Erikrie · 12/05/2021 18:58

Try to be a bit more understanding and educate yourself

Actually I am an educator. And I have a youtube account and an twitter account to help people educate themselves on how to be nice. (And what isn't nice). And an insta page. I've got the lot. I'm really good at it. I've read books and everything. in fact I've dedicated my life to this. I can send you the links if you like. So you can do better and be a good person. you sure do need it

IhateBoswell · 12/05/2021 19:01

I’m proper properly super nice.

Erikrie · 12/05/2021 19:04

Hmm, what is it you do that's nice then?

Erikrie · 12/05/2021 19:05

It's LITERAL VIOLETS. With a twist of white and green.

I like that.

FrippEnos · 12/05/2021 19:05

Some reasons why I have problems fully supporting the trans movement

Because some advocate the removal of women only safe spaces. (rape crisis centres, the ability to request a biologically female doctor. etc.)

Because some advocate for trans women that have gone through biologically male puberty to be in Women's sports.

Because in sports some advocate that transwomen that have gone through biologically male puberty are taking away biologically female sponsorships.

Because some advocate believe that transwomen should be able to have sex with Lesbians with their 'female penis'

Because some advocate the stereotyping of the sexes, something that we shouldn't be doing.

Labeling people 'Cis' when they don't identify as a gender but a biological sex. If you want to label yourself then fine, but don't label others it's mis gendering and literal violence (that would be the trans advocates way of looking at it).

stonecat · 12/05/2021 19:12

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WoolOfBat · 12/05/2021 19:13

I identify as nicer

Are you telling my that I don’t meet you definition of nice enough? Or that you do nice better than I do?

I can send you the links if you like

You really don’t understand do you? Nice is an inner feeling that we are born with. It cannot be defined of explained. Anyone who identify as nice is nice. Don’t be a gatekeeper. Please be less bigoted.

borntobequiet · 12/05/2021 19:22

I’m nice-fluid. Sometimes I’m very nice, sometimes just a little bit nice and sometimes I’m really nasty. But you have to put up with it, because I’m special, you know.

HerRoyalRisesAgain · 12/05/2021 19:24

I'm anice meaning I don't feel nice or nit nice, I just am.

HerRoyalRisesAgain · 12/05/2021 19:24

Not*

Lemmen · 12/05/2021 19:24

What colour is the nice flag?

(As someone who identities as nicest of all, I'll need badges and fabric made out of it right away to demonstrate loudly that it's the defining feature of my personality. )

ame88 · 12/05/2021 19:26

Just out of interest for those who disagree - would you suggest a trans woman should then use the male toilet? Or just the disabled?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/05/2021 19:29

I don't suggest that an MTF trans person should use the disabled unless they have a disability.

borntobequiet · 12/05/2021 19:30

What colour is the nice flag?

Tasteful shades of beige.

FrippEnos · 12/05/2021 19:30

@ame88

Just out of interest for those who disagree - would you suggest a trans woman should then use the male toilet? Or just the disabled?
Maybe they could use a unisex toilet?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/05/2021 19:31

Tasteful shades of beige.

The same colour as a doormat, precisely.

NiceGerbil · 12/05/2021 19:31

Out of interest ame.

How are you defining transwoman?

IhateBoswell · 12/05/2021 19:32

@ame88

Just out of interest for those who disagree - would you suggest a trans woman should then use the male toilet? Or just the disabled?
Definitely not the disabled toilets.
NiceGerbil · 12/05/2021 19:33

And if the men in this workplace are likely to beat up males who they see as different, what is you plan for protecting men who are known or thought to be gay, in fact any man that would be at risk from these men in the workplace?

Isn't that a pretty massive issue for the company?

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 12/05/2021 19:33

I feel nice, despite appearances to the contrary. That is my lived reality and if you doubt that you are a bigot.

NiceGerbil · 12/05/2021 19:34

Men at both my workplaces used the disabled toilets when they felt like it.

Usually when they were having a shit.

The women didn't really use them much at all.

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