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Would you do this with your child?

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treesmight · 11/05/2021 11:24

Would you leave 14/15 year old child alone at home for a week with food in fridge, some money and in a safe village/area? There’s a local shop with food a five minute walk away.

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motherloaded · 11/05/2021 17:01

There is actually no correlation with the amount of ‘freedom’ given to teenagers and their maturity.

there really is!

fruitbrewhaha · 11/05/2021 17:04

I wonder why people think it was ok for them to be left alone in the house as a teenagers but they now think they wouldn't allow their own kids to do the same.

I have an 11 and 8 year old, I can leave them for up to an hour together. They are fine, the 11 yo is sensible, went to brownies and learnt to be practical in an emergency. I have left her for a couple of hours when I took the DP to hospital during lockdown. She was fine.

My parents definitely left us as teenagers. The neighbours would have kept an eye out.

Blossominspring2021 · 11/05/2021 17:05

@motherloaded

There is actually no correlation with the amount of ‘freedom’ given to teenagers and their maturity.

there really is!

Evidence!

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

CatsArePeople · 11/05/2021 17:05

But we're not talking about allowing drinking here, we're talking about giving responsibility
leaving a child in sole charge of the house while you're abroad is massively irresponsible on a parent's part.

Member869894 · 11/05/2021 17:32

I would do it for two perhaps three days as long as the child was reasonably mature and happy and had a responsible adult to hand in case of emergency but longer would be pushing it

Divebar2021 · 11/05/2021 17:38

Well when I think of my mums house she’s had a burst water tank which happened on holiday and a major electrical fire started by an integrated fridge. The suggestion that a 14 year old would deal with those incidence as well as an adult is laughable. ( unless you’re an inept adult). My main concern however would be the impromptu party being advertised on social media - an issue which we didn’t have to contend with in earlier generations. I dealt with the outcome of one party ( policing) initially when there were reports of older boys passing electrical goods through the window. The teenage occupant denied anything was wrong to the officers. The police were called back later after a major disturbance. 2 sexual assault allegations resulted from the party in addition to the thefts. The occupier had not circulated that she was home alone but one of her friends had and a load of older boys descended on the address. She didn’t have the good sense to ask the officers for help when they first attended the address. That’s the reason I wouldn’t be leaving a 15 year old for a week let alone the 14.

Mojoj · 11/05/2021 17:42

Depends entirely on the child. And for all you helicopter mammies out there - get a bloody grip!

Aprilinspringtimeshower · 11/05/2021 18:03

@Jellybabiesforbreakfast

At 14 they should know what to do in case of fire, theft , intrusions, burst pipe etc- let’s face it we’d all be a bit panicked in those situations. A 14 can deal with it just the same as I would.

You'd be ok with your sleeping 14 year old having to deal with a burglary in the middle of the night? With the intruders potentially drugged up and violent? You think a 14 year old could deal with this in the same way that an adult could (and wouldn't be at any additional risk of being violently or sexually assaulted once the intruders realised they were alone in the house)?

Yes I do. Actually. No one is going to deal with that situation with anything but fear. You have no idea how you will respond in terms of fight or flight. No one would come out of that unscathed. And if said burglars attack if I am at home the 14/15 year old will be there anyway and having to deal with it anyway. The bigger question is what is the risk? Very small. How do I deal with potential intruders all my life: lock windows, doors, have a burglar alarm that is set at night- thus giving enough time to call police and lock myself in bathroom. Which is exactly what I taught my teenagers to do 🤦‍♀️
Aprilinspringtimeshower · 11/05/2021 18:06

@motherloaded

There is actually no correlation with the amount of ‘freedom’ given to teenagers and their maturity.

there really is!

Exactly. There is a big difference between freedom ( no rules or boundaries) versus independence, self assurance and ability to problem solve, and deal with unexpected.

That is what develops maturity.

KittyKatChonky · 11/05/2021 18:11

Crikey, all these people who can’t even leave their 15 year old alone for a few hours in the evening.

Aprilinspringtimeshower · 11/05/2021 18:12

@Divebar2021

Well when I think of my mums house she’s had a burst water tank which happened on holiday and a major electrical fire started by an integrated fridge. The suggestion that a 14 year old would deal with those incidence as well as an adult is laughable. ( unless you’re an inept adult). My main concern however would be the impromptu party being advertised on social media - an issue which we didn’t have to contend with in earlier generations. I dealt with the outcome of one party ( policing) initially when there were reports of older boys passing electrical goods through the window. The teenage occupant denied anything was wrong to the officers. The police were called back later after a major disturbance. 2 sexual assault allegations resulted from the party in addition to the thefts. The occupier had not circulated that she was home alone but one of her friends had and a load of older boys descended on the address. She didn’t have the good sense to ask the officers for help when they first attended the address. That’s the reason I wouldn’t be leaving a 15 year old for a week let alone the 14.
No it’s not laughable. In an electrical fire everyone should get out immediately and call 999- pretty simple. Even 4 or5 year olds who have been taught can call 999 and have done so when parents fitted etc.

Burst water pipe? Well they have a phone. They’d call me. I’d tell them to turn stop cock off. I showed my kids about stop cocks etc by about that age. Again not difficult. Get some pans and towels. . Sit it out till I get back. I call plumbers on journey home. I call insurance company when I get back. And exactly how common is sudden spontaneous burst pipes!

As I said the party piece is really the biggest risk. I agree. That’s about developing trust and setting boundaries with consequences. And a few cameras inside🤣

osbertthesyrianhamster · 11/05/2021 18:14

@KittyKatChonky

Crikey, all these people who can’t even leave their 15 year old alone for a few hours in the evening.
Yeah, that's a bit much. Does no one have to work evening hours? Mine was fine on her own till we got back. She'd have been fine overnight. It was about 6 hours. Why's it different during the day?
elliejjtiny · 11/05/2021 18:15

Absolutely not. I remember my friend's parents doing that when she was about 17/18. I stayed with her and we hosted "dinner parties" with our friends. We had great fun and broke the microwave but there is no way I would be letting any of my dc do that.

Jellybabiesforbreakfast · 11/05/2021 18:15

And if said burglars attack if I am at home the 14/15 year old will be there anyway and having to deal with it anyway.

In quite a few of the cases which have made the news, it is the ADULTS in the house who have frightened the intruder away after being alerted by their children's screams. Had they not been there, the intruder would have been able to harm the child.

Yes, it's a small risk but why would you take that risk? The risk is also likely to be increased if people realise that there is a vulnerable child alone in an empty house. Also, there is the possibility of your child waking in the night and being too terrified to get back to sleep. 14/15 is just too young, especially if there are no other siblings at home as well.

Also, most children don't leave home at 18 to go and live in empty houses by themselves. They either stay at home and get jobs/apprenticeships or go to university where they are in student accommodation surrounded by other people. Student halls often have a porter or security staff. Most people are early/mid 20s by the time they live alone.

motherloaded · 11/05/2021 18:33

Exactly. There is a big difference between freedom ( no rules or boundaries) versus independence, self assurance and ability to problem solve, and deal with unexpected.

That is what develops maturity.*

You do not develop maturity with mummy holding your hand until you are 20 and making sure you are never faced with problems or unexpected events.

But it's interesting you assume that "freedom" means no rule or boundaries. As someone who WAS left home alone, as were my friends, I assure you there absolutely were rules. What makes you think there wasn't?

If you pop to the supermarket, it's a free for all in your house whilst you are away?

If parents can't even trust their own children, makes you wonder who will employ teenagers for things like babysitting and other traditional teen jobs.

toocoldforsno · 11/05/2021 18:34

@elliejjtiny

Absolutely not. I remember my friend's parents doing that when she was about 17/18. I stayed with her and we hosted "dinner parties" with our friends. We had great fun and broke the microwave but there is no way I would be letting any of my dc do that.
17/18 is an ADULT. If you can't trust them at that age you've gone really wrong somewhere.
motherloaded · 11/05/2021 18:35

I always wonder if the most anxious posters impact on their own children or if they manage to be free of that as soon as they escape.

If you look at the amount of accidents happening in bathrooms, it's a miracle if some posters allow their teens to even shower when they are home alone (if they are ever home alone ever).

AnxiousWeirdo · 11/05/2021 18:37

My Dd1 is 17 and I think I would only leave her for one night.

I had my own house at 17 Confused

steppemum · 11/05/2021 18:41

I could happily stay on my own for weeks. However my point still stands, it’s not fair for a child to be expected to do what the majority of adults wouldn’t do.

honestly, I am laughing.

I know many people who live on ther own. While we are social creatures, really honestly I don't accpet your premis. If an adult can't cope with being on their own for a week, (apart from mental health obviously) my repsonse is GROW UP

Good grief.

and, as mnay have pointed out on this thread, many teenagers relish haveing the house to themselves for a couple of days. I know I did!

steppemum · 11/05/2021 18:53

@Blossominspring2021

But not allowing a teenager to slowly gain more responsibility as they get older is also harmful. There is actually no correlation with the amount of ‘freedom’ given to teenagers and their maturity. And no evidence that it is harmful to go slower. Most evidence points to more responsible adults having had the most security in their child and teenagehood.

For example teenagers are more likely to become alcoholics if their parents allowed them to drink younger, or introduced alcohol in the home.

Teenagers are more likely to drink responsibly as adults, less likely to have an adverse situation with alcohol, if their parents ask them to not drink until they are at least 16.

It’s a myth that going slower results in clueless kids who are then not responsible adults.

It might feel counter intuitive. You give kids freedom and they grow up. But it’s not the case. You give kids security and they grow up is more the case.

You are wrong.

Not that your facts are wrong, but your interpretation of them is backwards.

So, those studies, which I am familiar with, say that if you do not give clear boundaries and expectations to kids, then they are more likely to do the wrog thing.
So kids who have never been told no, and who have never had any limits on screen times/bedtimes (for example) are much more likely to push the limits when it comes to drugs and alcohol when they are teens and early twenties. Why? because they did not have secure and consistant parenting when they were younger. And the studies show that it is the parenting of them as younger kids that influences their teen behaviour.

But when I talk about giving my teen independance, I am not talking about removing boundaries, in fact the exact opposite.
My teens have been brought up with clear boundaries an expectations. As a result they respect our house, know how to cook and clean and look after themselves and know what the house rules are. They have security from the 15 years of parenting already given.

You could say in fact that as a result of the clear boundaries that they have always known, that they are much more able to be independant than their peers whose mums wait on them hand and foot and treat them like kids.

Part of my parenting has been teaching independance. Contrary to your post, that does not mean taking away rules and boundaries at all. It means making them help round the house, giving them jobs and responsibility, ensuring they can cook a meal, etc etc.

Giving responsibility is not giving them wild freedom. It is teaching them, at the right pace, the tools and skills they need for adulthood.

As a consequence, when I look at my 15 year old, I can see someone who is several steps along the road to adulthood.

You have misunderstood those studies and conflated lack of boundaries with allowing independance.
They actual correlation is that firm bondaries through childhood give security which is a base from which you can teach independance to your teen.

Summercocktailsinthesnow · 11/05/2021 18:55

There are a lot of parents on here that are very defensive. So are no doubt leaving their children during the night or for extended periods. 14 is way way too young and according to the NSPCC is not allowed.

I spent lots of time on my own on and off overnight at sixteen, and although I enjoyed it at first, I felt extremely lonely at times, I was scared at night and felt oddly vulnerable pleading with my friends and boyfriend to come and stay with me. It weirdly made me feel quite unloved and uncared by my parents, I suspect it was too much too soon even if I did not tell my parents. I also ran out of food and money because I was too young to manage it well, and I don't look back on the time fondly at all.

My parents by that stage gave me the permanent impression that they felt their job was done and they were checked out. I will not be doing the same with mine needless to say.

motherloaded · 11/05/2021 18:59

and according to the NSPCC is not allowed.

the NSPCC manages to say that 16 years old shouldn't be left alone
BUT has to admit that's it's perfectly legal for them to move out 🤦‍♀️

Of course people leave 16 years old alone! 16 years old are paid to babysit other people's children!

It's a worry if you can't trust them.

CandyLeBonBon · 11/05/2021 19:01

me and a friend travelled to Germany by ourselves at 15. Train to Dover, ferry to Ostend, and then On an 8 hour overnight train to Frankfurt from Ostend. Just two 15 year olds. I had my 16th birthday over there and it was brilliant.

I really can't fathom people who say they won't leave their 15 year old for more than a couple of hours? That's bizarre!

sociallydistained · 11/05/2021 19:11

My mum did this to me at 15 to go on holiday with her boyfriend. I didn’t go to school! Just took the week off even though I was supposed to be going.

IEat · 11/05/2021 19:25

I would leave them at 17 for a weekend, 18 for a week