Anyone in Hartlepool - what on earth is going on

[Purplecatshopaholic]

Genuine question. (Apologies if this is in the wrong place, I don’t post much). I’m Scottish and in Scotland, and I am constantly aware these days of how different the views are of Westminster up here, to across the border sometimes. We also have our own Labour Party leader up here. But really? Is Keir Starmer that bad? Are other parties not available? Who on earth is still voting for Boris…? Any WHY?

Labour is now the party of the virtue signalling middle class.
It’s not a working class party anymore.

@SapatSea honestly it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Labour Party are deliberately sabotaging themselves. They are shitter than shit right now. We can all look forward to a one party state dictatorship, lots of flag waving and government propaganda forced down our throats 24/7. But it's ok because blue passports. Oh and we don't let any of them brown people fleeing wartorn countries in anymore. Ugh.

Mumsnet is completely out of touch. They don't realise that there is a world beyond middle-class London wokesters who don't want Blair part 2.

Mumsnet is completely out of touch. They don't realise that there is a world beyond middle-class London wokesters who don't want Blair part 2

Do you think everyone who lives in London is middle class?

@RebeccaOfSunnyHellFarm
sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/
does this help?

I live in a very trad Labour & now a Brexit area. The people I know who have moved away from Labour wang on about Jeremy Corbyn (like he’s still Lab leader and even like he was actually PM and had a hand in everything they dislike over the last years). They are also fairly, ahem, nationalistic/racially intolerant.

I don’t get it because most elected Tories were remainers at the time of the referendum. But they seem to have absorbed the Gammon vote.

I think Starmer is ok politically, but is really struggling to make his mark. I cannot understand how Bojo’s showboating turns voters on. It’s anathema to me.

I’m generally Green/Lib Dem, but would vote Labour over Tory any day in my area. I don’t perceive the Tories have any regard whatsoever for working class people.

Labour don’t know who they are or who they represent any more and are astounded when they get defeated. And what is worse, they aren’t getting the message and they aren’t listening. Anyone who has to ask why people aren’t voting for them is part of the problem.

I didn't have a candidate supported by that party. So no.

@dadshere

Said it before, but it is worth repeating. You can have nice Tories. You can have intelligent Tories. You can't have nice, intelligent Tories.

Recourse to silly catchphrases that don’t parse into anything quantifiable is arrogant and patronising.

But if you feel it’s ‘worth repeating’, knock yourself out 🤷‍♀️

And using words like 'gammon' for anyone voting for Conservatives really grinds my gears. People voting do so for their local area and who will do the better job. Flinging insults like 'gammon' at them will keep Labour out of power forever.

But good to know they're out there.

@RebeccaOfSunnyHellFarm

I didn't have a candidate supported by that party. So no.

Ok but you could join? (I have)

Oh, I meant to add that I think my largely working class Brexit constituency is still red because it’s more multicultural and diverse than the NE.

I will certainly have a good delve into them when I get a moment. Thank you.

What a weird strategy to insult the people whose votes you want (working class northerners) and then be surprised when they don't vote for you.

People have short memories. Its nothing to do with intellect or lack of it. None of us exist in a vacuum and we are all influenced to a degree by what we hear and read. Of course the media had massive influence over the outcome of Brexit. No one could watch the BBC's two part documentary about Rupert Murdoch and have any doubt about that. One of the lowest moments was over the High Court's ruling that Theresa May must get approval from parliament before formally withdrawing from the European Union and the red tops calling British judges "The enemy of the people". It was shocking and thoroughly scurrilous.

@dadshere

Said it before, but it is worth repeating. You can have nice Tories. You can have intelligent Tories. You can't have nice, intelligent Tories.

What a stupid statement. I'm guessing you aren't nice or intelligent to make it 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Flemingshat

Personally and I know I will get jumped on for this but I think it's absurd to vote tory because you don't like labour's position on trans rights, and I say that as a GC feminist.

Actually women (adult female humans) care very deeply about their protections and safe spaces. Are you probably comfortable that women will have less rights going forward if Labour were in power. You only have to look at their policy for Women's officers policy - it's very poor.

If they could clearly acknowledge the Oxford English Dictionary definition of women, it would be a start.

@MangosteenSoda the people that constantly complain about Corbyn, as if he is responsible for all wrong things, do that because it's the papers talking. It's all the lies they've been fed. I have never in my life witnessed a smear campaign so constant, so vicious. It was truly appalling what they did to Corbyn. I'm not saying he's perfect, he definitely isn't, but he was our best hope for a progressive society and to move away from oil dominated capitalism. The tories knew that he had real potential. He resonated with young people like no other politician has done, possibly ever. They had to destroy him in order to remain in power. And they were successful in doing so because they have control of the media. It sickens me that we are living in such an Orwellian state.

Khalid Mahmood has resigned from the Labour front bench saying that 'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party'

twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1390711677457403910

[quote btwwhichonespink]@Bibidy

Eaxctly! And those woke voters have their pick of parties - Lib Dems, Greens and Labour.

Anyone with a conservative, pro-capitalist, pro-working/business mentality only really have one party to vote for (as rubbish as they are, they are the only centre/right party)[/quote]
Yep exactly that. Many traditional Labour voters feel they have nowhere to turn except the Tories now.

It's mad that so many people on here can see this so clearly and yet Labour don't seem to take it on board at all and then act shocked each time they lose seats.

[quote PronounssheRa]Khalid Mahmood has resigned from the Labour front bench saying that 'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party'

twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1390711677457403910[/quote]
Well said, Khalid.

It sickens me that we are living in such an Orwellian state.

The leftist thought police are no less Orwellian, though. Throwing members out of the party for ‘wrong think’ is equally chilling.

Are you probably comfortable that women will have less rights going forward if Labour were in power. You only have to look at their policy for Women's officers policy - it's very poor.

No, but I don't have any confidence in the ability of the tories to protect women either. So I vote for the party which has other policies that I do agree with.

Oh, I meant to add that I think my largely working class Brexit constituency is still red because it’s more multicultural and diverse than the NE.

“The NE” is not one homogenous entity though. Hartlepool is very different from Newcastle. Which is very different from Sunderland. Which is very different from Northumberland. Which is very different from the city of Durham. Which is very different from County Durham.