Billie Eilish in Vogue

[JoyOrbison]

Has anyone seen the interview and pics?

In contrast to Billie's usual look of large clothes, avoiding a look of what is traditionally /media hyped as femine (tight or revealing clothes, lots of make up etc) Billie is pictured in retro underwear, blonde hair, flawless make up and says it makes her feel more like a woman.

Ffs, like our dcs needed another stereotypical woman posing in underwear... She cut such an unique no nonsense look and has been a breath of fresh air especially to. Girls t
And now there is this.

Change your style etc yes, but to basically mimic something that is such an age old entrenched style when it goes against what you previously stood for and what your fans looked up to. You for? It just seems such a shame for all. Those younger fans that saw her as saying it's okay to be different... Now it seems its not.

What a weird OP - what Billie chooses to wear and how she chooses to look is up to her, it's not about what your DC "need".

@Mistressinthetulips

A lot of male stars must really not own their own sexuality given how little we see of their bodies.

Are you kidding? Harry Styles has done loads of quite sexy pics. Watch some early take that videos. Thats just off the top of my head. Im not saying women arent more sexualised, but i think people should leave Billie alone

I could come up with a much longer "of the top of my head" list of female stars, couldn't you?

I believe she believes it's her choice.
She's very young.
I'd be interested to hear how she feels about things 15 /20 years from now.

Once upon a time we were told to leave Britney Spears alone too. And all those women who posed in Loaded/FHM too. They too found it empowering and owning their sexuality etc, etc. And anyone who objected was unsupportive and judgemental.

Until it came out later that such photos were very much foisted upon them by management and if you didn't do them, your career wouldn't progress.

Kristen O'Brien (Former children's TV presenter) even did a documentary about it:

"O'Brien filmed Kirsten's Topless Ambition, a documentary for BBC3 that aired on 28 April 2009, in which she was "facing a huge decision - whether to do what many other female presenters had done before her and take her clothes off for a lads' mag to try to clinch bigger, better presenting jobs and a more adult audience."

'Her taking ownership of her body and sexuality has nothing to do with her being an artist.'

For a young woman, taking ownership of your body and sexuality, means wearing revealing clothes on the cover of a magazine?

Was Sam fox taking ownership of her body and sexuality when she did page 3?

I've not done this, does that mean I do not have ownership of my body and sexuality?

And surely taking ownership of your body and sexuality by showing it to everyone is a bit counter intuitive?

I mean do it if you want obviously but know you are adding to the tidal wave of sexualised images of women that are all over the place. It's up that empowering to women?

When did it become a thing that for women, taking your clothes off and having people look at you is empowering?

What power does it give you? I think of power as money, influence, being in a position that people want to hear what you say, political power, power to impact other people's lives eg those who make NHS policy. Which power is conferred onto a woman by taking clothes off and being on a magazine cover? Especially knowing plenty of blokes will have a wank over it.. ? I genuinely don't get it.

If my daughter wants to feel more 'ownership' over her body, should I get sexy snaps of her in her undies and get them published in the local paper? Yes? No?

And saying if you want surgery get it... Really? Empowering?

I find it interesting that the idea is that women making comments like me it's because xyz. It's get choice! Yes it is. Having made that choice, given her 360 and her young female fans who like it or not see her as a role model. Then what's the problem with talking about it.

If eg Teresa may got a shoot in that outfit. Or Angela Merkel. Would that be seen in exactly the same way? Taking ownership of their body/ empowering?

Remember what happened with Gail porter. Just came to mind. After reading puttingon's post.

She is 19! give her a break. I can’t believe OP you are upset because a teen decided to change how she dresses , we all went through this stage at one point.
She looks great, before and after.

@NiceGerbil

Remember what happened with Gail porter. Just came to mind. After reading puttingon's post.

Gail Porter, Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Jesy Nelson, Honey Ross ... is it unreasonable to have (or to have had) concerns about them?

Concerns that there may be some elements of pressure involved? And/or the possibility of future regrets?

I do think BE is very talented. And potentially quite vulnerable.

@Totalbeach does Adele wear corsets now?

If going down the route that she is a role model to younger girls; I found it more concerning when she publicly paid tribute to Xxxtenacion than what clothes she’s wearing now

I think it's disgusting that you're all pulling apart a young girl for her choice of clothes. It's not like she's naked ffs. Shame on you "grown ups"

My dd16 adores Billy Ellish. Dd doesn't have that much body confidence herself as she has large boobs and wide hips. She mainly wears baggy, shapeless T-shirt's and sweatshirts.

When she saw the photos of Billy Ellish online she loved them. She showed them to me and said she loved the fact that she was wearing 'big bras' but was super stylish and sexy. She said it Nade her think that she could perhaps wear something more tailored that showed off her figure. Not skimpy clothes, but nicer non-hiding clothes.

So those Billy Ellish photos caused nothing but positive in our house.

On one hand I think women should be able to wear what they want and not be judged for it. On the other hand it bothers me how women posing in 'skimpy' clothing is seen as empowering when you don't see men like Lewis Capaldi or Ed Sheeran, for example, doing the same. Don't men need to feel empowered too? Yes, there are men who play up their sex appeal. They are, however, the minority, not the norm.

Doesn't feel very equal to me.

@Crocidura

What a weird OP - what Billie chooses to wear and how she chooses to look is up to her, it's not about what your DC "need".

I think the operative word here is 'choose' and the discussion is about choice and how those 'choices' are made.

Remember when we were told that it was totally Britney Spear's idea to dress up as a schoolgirl in her first ever video?

There is plenty, plenty of reasons to be dubious about the apparent choices that young female artists make.