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What will happen when the Queen dies???

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GizmoBasil · 15/04/2021 14:59

Just pondering after Phillips death.

My view is the country will lose a lot of it's stability for a period of time, and I say that as a closeted Republican. She's all anyone alive has really ever known. It will be quite a time of massive change that's for certain.

The national anthem, money, names like HMRC - Will these all change overnight??

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bridgetreilly · 15/04/2021 17:57

Operation London Bridge.

Topseyt · 15/04/2021 17:57

I've heard a number of times that Charles might choose the regnal name of King George VII.

I admit that if he does I will find it very strange suddenly having to refer to him as George. Even though it is one of his name's (he is Charles Philip Arthur George) I just can't picture him as anything other than Charles in my mind.

Perhaps he ought to consider becoming King Arthur.

Havanananana · 15/04/2021 17:58

Georgian pennies are amazing....''Dead man's pennies'' as they are so big and heavy they were used to weigh down the eyelids of the deceased.

Sadly, "Dead man's pennies" are something completely different to old one-penny coins. They were tokens that were similar to old pennies but larger and were sent to the widows and parents of soldiers and others killed in WW1 as a mark of respect from the King for the sacrifice that the deceased person had made. Even in the jingoistic times of 1914-18 they were not particularly popular as they simply reinforced the loss of the families' main breadwinner or adult son(s) and many were discarded.

RedcurrantPuff · 15/04/2021 18:00

I don’t think there will be instability, the monarchy is pretty stable in this country. There will be a seamless transition to Charles. Everything that refers to Her Maj or the Queen will change overnight. Coins and money will continue in circulation. I remember the old 1 and 2 shilling coins being used as 5 and 10 p for years.

bridgetreilly · 15/04/2021 18:02

When Kate Cambridge was pregnant the law was changed to make male and female children equal for succession ant titles.

Yes. They also changed it so that great-grandchildren in the direct line (i.e. William's children but not Harry's, or any of his cousin's children) would automatically have royal titles.

Harry gave up Archie's right to a Royal title. That is done and dusted.

Nope. See above. Archie was never entitled to one. However, when Charles becomes king, Archie will be a grandchild of the monarch and thus entitled to a royal title.

ListeningQuietly · 15/04/2021 18:07

JustLyra
Lord Romsey came back to Hampshire years ago.
He lives on the Broadlands estate.
And you know as well as I do the real reason Penny is on the list.

KVIIIlyne · 15/04/2021 18:10

Archie will be a grandchild of the monarch and thus entitled to a royal title

I really hope his parents agree to it. He can ignore it and never use it, but it could also be useful to him. Some people put royalties on a pedestal.

Princess Anne declined, but it doesn't really make a difference in the UK.

JustLyra · 15/04/2021 18:11

The law about succession and the issue of titles are totally separate.

The law was changed to mean girls wouldn’t be bumped down the succession order by younger brothers.

That makes no impact on the issue of titles whatsoever. Females still cannot pass on titles, or inherit them from their father (for example Beatrice won’t inherit the York) unless the title is created in that way.

The titles LP issued by the Queen in 2012 only affects the children of the Duke of Cambridge.

JustLyra · 15/04/2021 18:13

@ListeningQuietly

JustLyra Lord Romsey came back to Hampshire years ago. He lives on the Broadlands estate. And you know as well as I do the real reason Penny is on the list.
Penny is still accepted as the head of th family due to her work with the estate. The Earl is still very much the blacksheep

I know exactly why you think she’s there, but I think it’s utter nonsense. There’s no way she’d be as close to the Queen as she is (she was in the car with her going to church at sandringham for example) if the rumours were true.

She wouldn’t be on the list if Lady Pamela was well enough to go.

Maireas · 15/04/2021 18:14

Archie could be Lord Archie, the Earl of Dumbarton, but his parents chose for him not to use the courtesy title. On his grandfather's accession, they may choose for him to be styled Prince. It would be interesting, as he, and his sister, is/will be US citizens and entitled to run for President!

Bluntness100 · 15/04/2021 18:17

There will be no instability, the queen acts a a figure head only.

I’d not bet on the queen passing away any time soon. She seems in great health. She could literally go on for another few years Even though she’s 94. I hope she does.

Honestly. As Charles is 72 I don’t think it’s totally impossible he may die before her. His florid red facial skin tone makes me think there are blood pressure issues there and he’s taking medication to reduce it. Somethings not right, he was never that florid when he was younger.

Pedallleur · 15/04/2021 18:19

Be all over the tv forever and the plan that's in place will go ahead. People will live, die, go to work, school etc.

KVIIIlyne · 15/04/2021 18:19

It would be interesting, as he, and his sister, is/will be US citizens and entitled to run for President!

Prince Archie becoming POTUS, that would be brilliant Grin

Maireas · 15/04/2021 18:23

That was my thought! Or Princess..... POTUS!

Lockdownbear · 15/04/2021 18:23

@Bluntness100 have you seen his fingers after flying?

He does have longevity in the genes thought both his parents made it to a really good age, and both Grannys although his Grandpas didn't do so well.

KVIIIlyne · 15/04/2021 18:26

Prince Charles has access to top medical assistance and care that everyone else can only dream of. I don't wish him bad, but I am pretty confident if someone is well looked after it's him!

Accidents and bad things happen at any age, so who knows. For anyone, losing a parent hurts.

Alsohuman · 15/04/2021 18:27

although his Grandpas didn't do so well

George Vl was a chain smoker and Prince Andrew of Greece was an alcoholic so it’s hardly surprising.

Bluntness100 · 15/04/2021 18:31

I’m not disputing Charles has the best medical care like the rest of his family or that he doesn’t have longevity in his genes

I am saying he’s 72 years old and has a florid complexion, which indicates a health issue, I’d guess he’s got blood pressure issues. But clearly don’t know. Other than something is causing it. High blood pressure can lead to other significant health issues that can be fatal. Hopefully not, I’m just saying out thr two, the queen looks healthier. No way round it.

Lockdown no not seen his fingers,,are they swollen?

KVIIIlyne · 15/04/2021 18:35

On that one, I have the same opinion over the monarchy or other presidential roles. There should be a cap on age! Maybe not when you are already in the role, but to become King/President pas a certain age is not really a good idea.

Before I get accused of ageism , let's be realistic. There's a reason for age retirement, and for many roles you wouldn't burden someone who is older, more tired etc. If you can't occupy many roles past a certain age, it should be extended to everything.

therestissilence · 15/04/2021 18:35

@Apileofballyhoo

Interesting that the Duke of Edinburgh title is hereditary - are the Duke of York and Sussex titles the same?
Yes, all Dukedoms are.

For example, the Queen is the Duke of Lancaster, and when she dies Charles will be Duke of Lancaster.

HeadlessGummyBears · 15/04/2021 18:40

@PicsInRed

Also I suppose we definitively find out if Archie becomes Prince Archie once he's grandchild to the reigning monarch.
It was never a secret that Charles wanted a slimmed down monarchy but I guess I never really understood what that really entailed. Who knows, maybe he never had any intentions of Harry’s children being princes and processes regardless of who he married. That should have been made clear from the start because now it looks like race was the only reason why Archie won’t be a prince.

I haven’t watched the full interview with Oprah, but I wasn’t sure if those articles of H&M implying that Archie wasn’t made a prince straight after birth as some kind of birthright or they meant when Charles becomes King, the powers that be would prevent Archie from being a prince and that they thought either way it was race related? Anyone who has watched it actually know or was that never made clear? I’ve only watched snippets but I don’t think I can stay awake for the full interview.

Maybe that’s why the name Archie was chosen as there’s hardly likely that Harry will get any closer to the throne?

But somehow somewhere along the way, waters became murky and relationships strained and race is a volatile subject, nobody wants to be called a racist. Perhaps some people are subconsciously and don’t know it because of the Royal family live in some kind of bubble. It’s fine line between maintaining that mystique but also reminding people that they’re all still living, breathing humans who will no doubt make mistakes.

supermoonrising · 15/04/2021 18:44

A few days after she passes will get a bucket load of propaganda, spearheaded by the ever objective BBC, about what an absolutely incredible human Prince Charles is. The monarchy is a bedrock of the system and its important we love it.

PicsInRed · 15/04/2021 18:50

@ListeningQuietly

Anne's children were entirely entitled to Royal titles. She chose not to use them. Edwards children are entitled to Royal titles. He has chosen not to use them.

When Kate Cambridge was pregnant the law was changed to make male and female children equal for succession ant titles.

Harry gave up Archie's right to a Royal title. That is done and dusted.

Interesting that Penny Mountbatten is going to the funeral but her husband (the one was actually related to Philip) isn't. Speaks volumes.

Anne's children weren't entitled as they were female line, however she was offered titles (including for her husband in marriage iirc) but refused them as they wanted to be plain super fancy, rather than super dooper fancy.

Edward's kids are HRH and prince and princess, however they are "styled" by lesser titles Viscount and Lady, again to be super rather than super dooper.

Harry did not give up Archie's or his sister's right to become HRH and prince/princess upon the Queen's death and Charles' accession (thereby becoming grandchildren to the monarch). Those letters patent are still in place and new letters patent have not been issued.

The interesting thing to watch is whether Charles would issue new letters patent to effectively strip that away. As Archie and his little sister would be the first irrefutably black Prince/Princess of the United Kingdom, there is huge signficance attached and it would be beyond controversial to begin any reform with them.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 15/04/2021 18:52

I seem to recall Ken Livingston saying on 'Have I Got News For You' that when he was Mayor of London he was informed that the empty 'fourth plinth' in Trafalger Square was reserved for a statue of the Queen after her demise, but that it was a secret!
I wonder if that will happen....

RedcurrantPuff · 15/04/2021 18:53

I thought the reason Anne’s children didn’t have titles is because they would require to acquire titles via their father’s lineage and Mark Phillips refused one.

Archie could not be POTUS under current rules as I believe that the president has to not only be a US resident but have been born in the US. His little sister might be though.