What will happen when the Queen dies???

[GizmoBasil]

Just pondering after Phillips death.

My view is the country will lose a lot of it's stability for a period of time, and I say that as a closeted Republican. She's all anyone alive has really ever known. It will be quite a time of massive change that's for certain.

The national anthem, money, names like HMRC - Will these all change overnight??

@Lockdownbear

Harry stepping away might mean asking one or two cousins to step up. But that will be a decision made in the future as the existing Royals age and see where they are all placed in 10 years time.

I think the biggest impact of Harry stepping away, and imo why there is likely to be an issue with William if there is one, will be on William’s children - especially George.

If the demand for royal engagements is still similar then there is no way George will have the luxury of uni, military, and married life until his late 20’s/early 30s. He’ll have to be full time royal younger.

It may also mean that Charlotte and Louis will both also be working royals, which might not have been the plan.

It generates work for people. Every pound spent is money going into the economy. And if people travel to London they are likely to stay a couple of days and put money into shops and the tourist industry.

That's why I think William might turn to his cousins to plug the gap to give his kids time out of the limelight.

I'm amazed at how many patrons Philip held 800, and even the Kents and Gloucesters have a hundred or so each that's a lots of stuff to be involved with.

@Lockdownbear

It generates work for people. Every pound spent is money going into the economy. And if people travel to London they are likely to stay a couple of days and put money into shops and the tourist industry.

I've never got this. The Queen is rarely at BP so why do people think tourists are going to London because of the royal family? As I said upthread she's not doing hourly magic shows on the balcony. What people come to see is the palace itself, and to get a sense of the history at places like the Tower. There's no royalty in residence at the Tower, but people still pay to visit it. As they would if there were no royals at BP. Only difference is they could visit properly, look around, probably spend more.

Versailles does just fine for tourists.

Isn't the 'demand for royal engagements' something of a self - fulfilling demand? If the Royals weren't there someone else would cut ribbons and open fetes. What do the French do? I am quite sure they have enough pomp and ceremony but manage without having a Royal to bring out for the occasion.

I was referring to the big expensive occasion rather than in general.

Whingey

Postbox at Walton on the Naze has VR on Queen Victoria“

Quite a few ERs dotted about too.

Meant G 🙄

Who would replace the Kents and Gloucesters? The Duchess of Kent did step away from Royal duties. She had been very popular and it certainly left a gap IMO when it came to presenting the Wimbledon trophy, but really, aren't there enough people around who could do this sort of engagement?

Though I suppose there may be some Es too? She muses to herself, completely missing the point

@Lockdownbear

That's why I think William might turn to his cousins to plug the gap to give his kids time out of the limelight.

I'm amazed at how many patrons Philip held 800, and even the Kents and Gloucesters have a hundred or so each that's a lots of stuff to be involved with.

I don’t think he will.

At the very most Edward’s children might get involved with the Duke of Edinburgh scheme going forward.

There’s no way the York girls could be working royals now. It wouldn’t go down well with the public and they’ve been completely tainted by their father.

Peter and Zara have their own lives and aren’t an option.

I think as their children get older Sophie and Edward will massively increase their engagements. I also think a lot of the engagements done by the Gloucester and Kent contingent will just no longer be done, bar a few of the Duke of Kent’s military engagements.

Really, people would stop going to London if they didn't have Royal weddings, funerals and Coronations to attend? We haven't had a Coronation for nearly seventy years now, but last time I went to London, which was prior to the Covid outbreak, it was heaving with people. What could they have been doing?

@Peregrina

Who would replace the Kents and Gloucesters? The Duchess of Kent did step away from Royal duties. She had been very popular and it certainly left a gap IMO when it came to presenting the Wimbledon trophy, but really, aren't there enough people around who could do this sort of engagement?

I think originally they’d have been replaced by the current younger royals when they started doing the full whack.

They’d have gone from the Queen, Philip, Charles, Camilla, Anne, Andrew, Edward, Sophie, Gloucester’s x2, duke of Kent and Alexandra - so 12

To - Charles, Camilla, William, Kate, Harry, Meghan, Andrew, Anne, Edward and Sophie - so 10

Two bodies down wouldn’t have been a huge issue with Edward and Sophie increasing their load as their children got older.

The issue now is that Andrew, Harry and Meghan would have covered an average of 300 engagements a year each (once Meghan was full time and not on maternity leaves) so they’re 5 down with no easy replacement until William’s children are older

It wouldn’t go down well with the public and they’ve been completely tainted by their father.

Which I think is a bit of a pity, because they seem nice enough. I remember that funny hat Beatrice wore to one of the Royal weddings - the Pretzel hat. Didn't she raffle it off for charity? It sounded quite like a fun thing to do. It sounded to me as though she didn't take herself too seriously.

The issue now is that Andrew, Harry and Meghan would have covered an average of 300 engagements a year each (once Meghan was full time and not on maternity leaves) so they’re 5 down with no easy replacement until William’s children are older

So how exactly do countries without monarchies go about covering such engagements? They have the same sort of pomp and ceremony as we do in France, but seem to manage.

There’s no way the York girls could be working royals now. It wouldn’t go down well with the public and they’ve been completely tainted by their father.

Not necessarily. Beatrice got a lot of kudos for the quiet wedding and wearing Granny's dress.

Bea and Eugenie both auctioned their hats.

@Peregrina

The issue now is that Andrew, Harry and Meghan would have covered an average of 300 engagements a year each (once Meghan was full time and not on maternity leaves) so they’re 5 down with no easy replacement until William’s children are older

So how exactly do countries without monarchies go about covering such engagements? They have the same sort of pomp and ceremony as we do in France, but seem to manage.

No idea.

My post about the problem covering them was answering your question about who'd replace the Kent's and Gloucester's.

@Nith

There’s no way the York girls could be working royals now. It wouldn’t go down well with the public and they’ve been completely tainted by their father.

Not necessarily. Beatrice got a lot of kudos for the quiet wedding and wearing Granny's dress.

She did. I don't think that would extend to people being happy for her to be on the pay roll.

Look at the stick her sister took for her wedding. I think the kudos Beatrice got was in large part because people felt she knew her place (for want of a better phrase) as a private person who happens to be the Queen's granddaughter.

But was it Eugenie getting the stick for the wedding, or was it because Prince Andrew wanted all the fuss made, and that she herself might well have gone for something quieter?

@marktayloruk

As a devout monarchist I hope she lives for many years. I also hope that all republicans have the decency to keep their disloyal mouths shut.

What is disloyal about questioning the need for a monarchy in this day and age?

I don't have any ill feelings towards the queen. However there is no doubt that the family are dysfunctional at best and the whole thing surrounding Andrew just highlights that. Charles isn't exactly a saint either, with the treatment of Diana. And the family as a whole need a serious look at themselves in that whole debacle- if they had allowed Charles to marry Camilla in the first place a lot of hurt could have been avoided. And now we will potentially have a king who is divorced and remarried to someone who is also divorced.

It won't affect my life when the queen does die, other than having to avoid all sources of tv and radio for a few weeks. I will feel for her family and loved ones, in much the same way as I have sympathy for anyone who loses a loved one. But on a personal level it won't affect me. Won't even get the day off as we don't close for public holidays.

For me the kudos got was because she obeyed the lockdown rules like the rest of us were having to. How many weddings have had to be delayed with people's plans in tatters? Those who really wanted to get married jumped at the chance with slimmed down weddings which were in accordance with the regulations. She appeared to be doing the same.

I admit that with Andrew in disgrace it was expedient for the Royal family to have a quiet wedding.

I note that Boris Johnson hasn't yet taken the opportunity to get married.

She was already having a small wedding at St James'. Her father's interview with Emily Maitliss guaranteed that she wasn't going to get the Windsor style wedding, even if she wanted it.

Thinking on it now though, it's good she took the chance as if she had waited until this summer her grandfather wouldn't have been there.

As I understand it, Andrew had always lobbied for his daughters to be full time, working Royals. Charles is determined to slim things down, and the message was given on the balcony at the Diamond Jubilee HM, C and C, K and W, and H. Also the pictures issued of the family in 2018, Charles, Camilla, William, Kate and the children, Harry and Meghan. I have read that both Beatrice and Eugenie have approached Charles and William with requests to be working royals. I don't think that the Sussexes decisions will change the situation.

I see Meghen Markle may have caused trouble again.??