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What will happen when the Queen dies???

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GizmoBasil · 15/04/2021 14:59

Just pondering after Phillips death.

My view is the country will lose a lot of it's stability for a period of time, and I say that as a closeted Republican. She's all anyone alive has really ever known. It will be quite a time of massive change that's for certain.

The national anthem, money, names like HMRC - Will these all change overnight??

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SenecaFallsRedux · 16/04/2021 23:52

It would require an Act of Parliament to bypass Charles. Highly unlikely.

Mamanyt · 17/04/2021 00:11

As an American, I will tell you this...much of the world will mourn with you, as it should, for the passing of a very, VERY gracious Lady.

As for the workings of the government (stamps, coinage, etc), they were set up from the beginning to handle changed in the Head of State. Y'all don't do it nearly as often as we do (not having a royal family, doesn't affect our coins or stamps), but the change-over is built into the system.

I hope you don't have to deal with it any time soon. Because "gracious Lady." I remember when an acquaintance, who is very well known in his field, was called to England to work with the...well, I don't want to name-drop, the things in his area of expertise. He met the Queen and had a fairly long conversation with her. His comments about her that were the most telling were, "You'd never know, talking to her, that she is the Queen. So warm, and down-to-earth. You only realized how important she is by the actions and attitudes of the people around her."

She will be sorely missed.

Mamanyt · 17/04/2021 00:12

@Mamanyt

As an American, I will tell you this...much of the world will mourn with you, as it should, for the passing of a very, VERY gracious Lady.

As for the workings of the government (stamps, coinage, etc), they were set up from the beginning to handle changed in the Head of State. Y'all don't do it nearly as often as we do (not having a royal family, doesn't affect our coins or stamps), but the change-over is built into the system.

I hope you don't have to deal with it any time soon. Because "gracious Lady." I remember when an acquaintance, who is very well known in his field, was called to England to work with the...well, I don't want to name-drop, the things in his area of expertise. He met the Queen and had a fairly long conversation with her. His comments about her that were the most telling were, "You'd never know, talking to her, that she is the Queen. So warm, and down-to-earth. You only realized how important she is by the actions and attitudes of the people around her."

She will be sorely missed.

"changes," NOT "changed."
Gladimnotcampinginthisweather · 17/04/2021 05:49

Those people who want the crown passed straight to William could find themselves sorely disappointed.
Edward VII was very unpopular as Prince of Wales, but was a very popular King. How do we know Charles won't be a good King? And how do we know William will?

Petlover9 · 17/04/2021 05:53

@PicsInRed
@GoWalkabout
So pleased that others think it has had its day. Obviously I don't know any of them personally but if you read the history of how it all began, they are just people like us except their ancestors were the bullies who ruled the great unwashed. The Queen has done a good job and led a very privileged life (houses (castles, palaces), money, jewels but I hope it all ends when the current lot toddle off.

Crayfishforyou · 17/04/2021 06:37

When the queen dies there will be fuck all else on the BBC channels for weeks

StarCourt · 17/04/2021 06:40

@TeacupDrama yes I have a grandparent who is 102 this year. It's their 4th monarch

moochingtothepub · 17/04/2021 06:43

Things will change to his royal, king etc but won't make much difference to most people. I will have a lot of editing though because I work for the church and lots of our materials reference the Queen, printer will be in overdrive!

Onlinedilema · 17/04/2021 06:48

Charles will be king.
The Queen is elderly and recently bereaved sadly she will not live much longer.

Onlinedilema · 17/04/2021 06:52

Does anyone have good examples of a country being better once they have dissolved the monarchy?
Id hate to turn into a country that worships 'celebrities' more than we already do and fear that's what would happen if we got rid of the monarchy. I don't want the likes of Boris Johnson gaining more celebrity status either.

maninaskirt · 17/04/2021 08:00

It will make the same difference as Phil the Greek dying, i.e. bugger all. The moment she stops breathing she will be replaced by Big Ears, and the institutions that support her and her overprivileged family will continue exactly as now.

But of course our right-wing media will weep and wail for weeks on end and there will be nothing on the telly for several days. The Royal family's hordes of sycophantic supporters will try to shame anybody who fails to join in the ridiculous mourning. Anyone who belongs in the 21st century will ignore this as hard as they can.

TheVampiresWife · 17/04/2021 08:04

[quote Petlover9]@PicsInRed
@GoWalkabout
So pleased that others think it has had its day. Obviously I don't know any of them personally but if you read the history of how it all began, they are just people like us except their ancestors were the bullies who ruled the great unwashed. The Queen has done a good job and led a very privileged life (houses (castles, palaces), money, jewels but I hope it all ends when the current lot toddle off.[/quote]
It's funny isn't it how everyone bangs on about how 'gracious' the Queen is when her ancestors literally had blood on their hands for her to have the privilege she now enjoys. The RF is built on violence, murder and war. Yes, it's a long time ago and no, we can't hold Her Madge responsible for it, but her ancestors would quite happily have chopped the plebs who kowtow now into tiny pieces if it meant securing power.

TheVampiresWife · 17/04/2021 08:09

I suspect that when the queen dies it will affect us a whole lot more than we think it will. It's huge for all of us

It won't be huge for me. David Bowie's death utterly floored me, but when the Queen dies, I'll be ...meh. The only effect it'll have on me is sheer bloody outrage that either in the midst of a pandemic, or when we're recovering from one, and millions of people have lost livelihoods, while the NHS is on its knees and people are sleeping rough and others can't afford to feed their children, millions upon millions of pounds will be spent on a state funeral and all the hooohah of a coronation.

Peregrina · 17/04/2021 08:17

It's funny isn't it how everyone bangs on about how 'gracious' the Queen is when her ancestors literally had blood on their hands for her to have the privilege she now enjoys.

When it came down to it, they were very loathe to give up this privilege e.g. Princess Margaret not marrying Peter Townsend, but preferring to 'do her duty'.

When the Duke of Windsor and now Prince Harry did/do step out of line, there is a tremendous hoo-ha about it. Well OK DoW was a Nazi sympathiser, so it was good he had to go. Harry - well it's still playing out, but is some of the fuss because he's 'broken the rules'?

I think the other European royal families don't have quite the same problem - some of them step down, and that's more or less the end of it. Was it the King of Sweden who recently decided to demote a whole pile of relatives?

Lockdownbear · 17/04/2021 08:23

Money spent on state funeral think how much money will be generated by it.

Assuming she dies outwith covid the London hotels & restaurants would be full of people who want to see the procession who don't live in London. And then the same again for the Coronation.

Think of the souvenir tat that will be sold for the Coronation too.

But actually how do you calculate the cost of the state occasions?
The armed forces are paid for any way. They'll be extra policing.
And the events companies will get some turnover doing barriers and I'll assume portaloos in the parks.
The companies who make blank shells will get a turn too for the salutes.

JustLyra · 17/04/2021 08:25

Was it the King of Sweden who recently decided to demote a whole pile of relatives?

What he did was no more than has been done here with Edward’s children really (and to a lesser extent the York girls).

All members of the royal house in Sweden are working royals and receive state funding. He removed the HRH and royal house membership of the children of his two younger children to make clear they are not expected to be working royals and, most importantly, they’re not expecting the taxpayers to fund them. They’re still titled Prince and Princess.

It’s something they had to address as his daughter’s eldest is either at school or starting school and in the rules royal house children have to be educated in Sweden, but they live in the USA.

Scarriff · 17/04/2021 08:29

There are always closet Republicans who pop up, discover just how popular the Royals are and disappear again. I remember people thought Diana had done for them, then the Queen Mother died. There had to be three days of lying in state because so many people came. I suspect the Markle woman has only just discovered this herself.

Lockdownbear · 17/04/2021 08:29

King of Sweden opted for a slimmed monarchy.

If Harry had gone quietly he'd be forgotten about. But not wanting to be a working Royal but give his son a Prince title doesn't make sense. Unless it's a way of generating cash.

Will be interesting if Charles demotes anyone in time (the York girls)

Peregrina · 17/04/2021 08:38

Money spent on state funeral think how much money will be generated by it.

Which can be set against the amount of business lost as firms and shops are told to shut for a while.

JustLyra · 17/04/2021 08:38

The monarchy is already slimming here. The decision for Andrew and Edward’s children not to be working royals started that process.

There’s currently the Queen, Charles, Camilla, Anne, Edward, Sophie, William, Kate, the Duke & Duchess of Gloucester, the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra working. Until recently there was also Philip, Andrew, Harry and Meghan.

The decision not to have Andrew and Edward’s children as working royals meant that the older cousins wouldn’t be replaced.

In 15 years there will be Charles, Camilla, Anne, William, Kate, Edward and Sophie. The first 3 will be in their 80s and William’s children will still be too young to be full time working royals.

The slimming has already been done. Andrew, Meghan and Harry have slimmed it even further than planned.

Fuckinellitsme · 17/04/2021 08:41

@Scarriff

There are always closet Republicans who pop up, discover just how popular the Royals are and disappear again. I remember people thought Diana had done for them, then the Queen Mother died. There had to be three days of lying in state because so many people came. I suspect the Markle woman has only just discovered this herself.
the Markle woman Hmm

H&M are the only two I have any time for. Being a republican, I'd love it if the entire RF turned their back on the whole thing and went off to earn their own money. Plus MM seems lovely.

Peregrina · 17/04/2021 08:41

Didn't the process really start with Princess Anne's children, who aren't even designated as Royal officially, although to most of us, they are in reality?

JustLyra · 17/04/2021 08:44

@Peregrina

Didn't the process really start with Princess Anne's children, who aren't even designated as Royal officially, although to most of us, they are in reality?
Not really no.

Anne’s children were never going to be working or titled royals. So they are no different to the children of Princess Margaret, or even Princess Mary before that.

Lockdownbear · 17/04/2021 08:45

Harry stepping away might mean asking one or two cousins to step up.
But that will be a decision made in the future as the existing Royals age and see where they are all placed in 10 years time.

TheVampiresWife · 17/04/2021 08:48

@Lockdownbear

Money spent on state funeral think how much money will be generated by it.

Assuming she dies outwith covid the London hotels & restaurants would be full of people who want to see the procession who don't live in London. And then the same again for the Coronation.

Think of the souvenir tat that will be sold for the Coronation too.

But actually how do you calculate the cost of the state occasions?
The armed forces are paid for any way. They'll be extra policing.
And the events companies will get some turnover doing barriers and I'll assume portaloos in the parks.
The companies who make blank shells will get a turn too for the salutes.

Oh goodie, more plastic tat, just what the world needs. How tone deaf?!

And I doubt the money made by Portaloo companies will offset the extra policing bill, or indeed the cost of keeping the RF pampered long into the future.

Spending millions on ceremonial crap during/shortly after a pandemic would be utterly offensive. I can't believe anyone would think it's ok. Madness.