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What will happen when the Queen dies???

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GizmoBasil · 15/04/2021 14:59

Just pondering after Phillips death.

My view is the country will lose a lot of it's stability for a period of time, and I say that as a closeted Republican. She's all anyone alive has really ever known. It will be quite a time of massive change that's for certain.

The national anthem, money, names like HMRC - Will these all change overnight??

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Plumbuddle · 16/04/2021 19:30

@SenecaFallsRedux

Archie could be POTUS. The requirement is natural born citizen, which can include people born abroad who have an American parent.
I know nothing, but can that be right? If that's the case, how did Trump manage to claim that Obama could not be US president as he was foreign born? I appreciate the foreign born was a lie, but coming back to the rest of it, then even on Trump's crappy case he could not have run that argument, as Obama's mum was American. No?
Plumbuddle · 16/04/2021 19:34

@JustLyra

I haven’t watched the full interview with Oprah, but I wasn’t sure if those articles of H&M implying that Archie wasn’t made a prince straight after birth as some kind of birthright or they meant when Charles becomes King, the powers that be would prevent Archie from being a prince and that they thought either way it was race related? Anyone who has watched it actually know or was that never made clear? I’ve only watched snippets but I don’t think I can stay awake for the full interview.

From watching it my take is that there was a belief by Harry and Meghan that all of grandchildren would be treated the same, so they thought LP’s would be issued titling their children as Prince/as from birth in the same was the 2012 LP’s titled William’s younger children.

There’s no way of knowing 100% if that was an assumption or something that had been discussed (personally I think it was an assumption) and changed as it got tangled up in the security issue.

Meghan also outright said that she was told there would be changes made so that he didn’t become Prince when Charles became king either.

I've watched the full interview. They made 3 assertions: (1) that he would not get title, (2) that he did not get offered security, (3) there was a comment about skin colour. These were said close together for maximum impact. The thinking is likely (1) they FEAR he will not get title as it has long been hinted that Charles was going to slim down, (2) they rely on the public's knowing none of them got security once they went to the US, and they want to suggest that that means Archie did not have security before; he in fact did, all the time he was in the UK; Archie is being put forward as a victim when he was not; (3) they conflate the title and security issue in inflammatory fashion; and (4) they juxtapose the racism.
CowCuddler · 16/04/2021 19:51

People saying that the UK no longer wants a monarch, where is evidence of this? Has there been a poll or vote? Or is it just the shouty people shouting loudly and assuming that they are speaking for everyone?

100,000 complaints out 67,610,000 people isn't that many, it's just the shouty people again.

Yes I am a Royalist, yes I've been glued to all the coverage. I think it's something that makes the UK special in the big world full of boring republics, the Royal family bring in more money than they cost. I don't understand why people bitch about them so much. They don't affect your life in any major way, just switch to a different channel if you don't want to watch or hear about them, and let me watch the history, pomp and pageantry, and imagine life as a princess in a palace, with my own ponies. 🇬🇧👑

Buffs · 16/04/2021 19:53

I’d imagine the monarchy will become less relevant and less popular. If Andrew and Harry are still around then quite dramatically so. I can’t see why there would be any instability . Personally I’d hope for a referendum on a Republic

Alsohuman · 16/04/2021 19:55

Personally I’d hope for a referendum on a Republic

Because the last one of those we had went so well ... I hope I’m dead before there’s another one.

Peregrina · 16/04/2021 19:58

As a devout monarchist I hope she lives for many years.

I doubt whether being devout will help you. The Queen will be 95 in a few days time and is unlikely to be around for all that many years. She might get to 100 but again, might not. Prince Philip didn't look too bad at 95 but aged very rapidly once passed 97 or so.

Peregrina · 16/04/2021 20:03

I am 100% sure that everyone here was born long long after Cromwell's Government, which was a Republic although not styled as such.

Emmelina · 16/04/2021 20:05

For the Queen, the country will shut down until after the funeral.
I hope we have a few years left with her, but realistically she’s 95 next week and her spouse of 70+ years has passed away. With both sets of grandparents here, when one partner died the other followed within a year. The same with several elderly couples I’ve known in my lifetime. The Queen seems fit and well, but things can change very quickly.

PrelovedWithValue · 16/04/2021 20:06

People saying that the UK no longer wants a monarch, where is evidence of this?

Has anyone said that? I just searched 'UK' and couldn't find anyone. Admittedly I haven't read the entire thread. What I have seen are people saying they personally think there shouldn't be a monarchy.

I don't understand why people bitch about them so much

I mean, if you are happy to bankroll a family that have very public affairs (and also some that haven't made it into the public arena) and do their best to minimise accusations of sexual assault, and not take any responsibility for their own actions, that's fine.

SenecaFallsRedux · 16/04/2021 20:19

I appreciate the foreign born was a lie, but coming back to the rest of it, then even on Trump's crappy case he could not have run that argument, as Obama's mum was American. No?

Having one parent who is American is not the sole qualification for a person born outside the US to be considered a natural born citizen. There are also requirements that have to do with how long the American parent lived in the US and when. Meghan clearly meets those qualifications which means that Archie is a natural born citizen, meaning that he would not have to undergo a naturalization process to be an American citizen.

AnnieSnap · 16/04/2021 20:21

@Scotland32

The military, BBC and every other body you can think of have had it all planned for literally YEARS. My friend works for Radio 1 and they have regular planning meetings about it. It might feel weird to us, but all the logistics are all ready to be enacted at a moment’s notice. Sad as it will be, it’s all planned. Plus, as with Prince P, the post-death interviews/chats with their children have likely already been recorded. That’s the bit I find a bit weird - but it’s necessary....
It might be protocol, but it’s certainly not necessary!
Tzimi · 16/04/2021 20:24

@GizmoBasil Stability? What stability?

Dontwanttolivewithmylover · 16/04/2021 20:24

HMRC and HMP won't change. Her and His both begin with H.

Beyondridiculous · 16/04/2021 20:39

So it changes to his majesty’s, same initials. Money is the same until a reprint. God save changes to king to queen. Period of mourning likely to be 1 month. It’s not complex and there’s entire government departments for it but not much else will change except some words.

TeacupDrama · 16/04/2021 21:09

My grandfather was born in 1897 when it was Queen Victoria and he just remembered her fuss about herfuneral he lived through 6 monarchs Victoria, Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, George VI and Elizabeth II.You would need to be 111 to have been alive when Edward VII was King, but plenty of people are alive (any one 85 or over, there are 1.6 million of them): who were born when George V was king so they are on their fourth monarch

JonSnowIsALoser · 16/04/2021 21:26

@PicsInRed
"They've said this for years. Bad connotations for the Charleses 😉"

But Charles II was the King who Brough Back Partying!!! An ideal name for the first post-Covid monarch...

JonSnowIsALoser · 16/04/2021 21:27

*Brought

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 16/04/2021 21:34

On Have I got News for You tonight they said why so much news coverage from the BBC for Philip's death. Apparently the BBC got slaughtered after the queen mother dead because they didn't react enough. Complaints about not changing the schedule and news reader with not dark enough suit. Goes to show they can't win really. Someone will moan no matter what they do.

ListeningQuietly · 16/04/2021 21:46

But Charles II was the King who Brough Back Partying!!! An ideal name for the first post-Covid monarch...

PicsInRed · 16/04/2021 21:49

Grin Grin

mustlovegin · 16/04/2021 22:27

Nothing will 'happen'. The heir will become King. That's it.

mustlovegin · 16/04/2021 22:28

Someone will moan no matter what they do

Professional moaners most likely

Brute · 16/04/2021 22:32

Will QUEEN ELIZABETH II choose to bypass first-in-line to the throne Prince Charles in favour of her grandson Prince William.??

JustLyra · 16/04/2021 22:58

@Brute

Will QUEEN ELIZABETH II choose to bypass first-in-line to the throne Prince Charles in favour of her grandson Prince William.??
That’s not how it works. She can’t even if she wanted too
carawaybaby · 16/04/2021 23:48

@Brute

Will QUEEN ELIZABETH II choose to bypass first-in-line to the throne Prince Charles in favour of her grandson Prince William.??
She'll be dead, she won't get a say.