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What will happen when the Queen dies???

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GizmoBasil · 15/04/2021 14:59

Just pondering after Phillips death.

My view is the country will lose a lot of it's stability for a period of time, and I say that as a closeted Republican. She's all anyone alive has really ever known. It will be quite a time of massive change that's for certain.

The national anthem, money, names like HMRC - Will these all change overnight??

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JustLyra · 15/04/2021 22:35

@SenecaFallsRedux

your distant cousin

The Kents are not all that distant from Philip. The Duke of Kent, Prince Michael and Princess Alexandra are his first cousins once removed. Their mother, Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark was Philip's first cousin.

I was referring more to the fact that the Kents are cousins to the Queen and a more distant cousin to Philip than the grandchildren of Philip are.

There's a difference between attending a first cousin once removed's funeral alone and your Grandad's funeral alone.

JustLyra · 15/04/2021 22:37

@Peregrina

Who knew that they would trot out some German relatives for the funeral?
Inviting his great-nephews, two of whom he had a good relationship with (the other I don't know) is hardly "trotting out German relatives".

Having representatives of his sisters families is hardly a stretch.

girlofnow · 15/04/2021 22:39

So sick of reading about the bank holiday bollocks. First thing I saw on Facebook after Philip died was do we get a day off? Jesus.

I suspect that when the queen dies it will affect us a whole lot more than we think it will. It's huge for all of us.

GrumpyHoonMain · 15/04/2021 22:41

When the queen dies you may see the unity of commonwealth countries fracture a bit and for Harry and Megan to be forgiven (and Andrew to be ostracised). At the moment she’s the last thing that really unites all of them. Many countries don’t support Charles for various reasons though they do his sons

Antiqueanniesmagiclanternshow · 15/04/2021 22:43

@Magi84 are you really 88??

ohforarainyday · 15/04/2021 22:43

Margaret Beaufort was an extraordinary woman, and she was called 'My Lady, The King’s Mother', a title created for her. I'm not aware of any other monarch's mother being called that.

"Queen Mother" is commonly used for the dowager (i.e. widowed wife of the former king) mother of the current monarch, regardless of whether the monarch is male or female. Queen Mary was known as Queen Mother when her sons were on the throne. It doesn't mean "the queen's mother" i.e. the mother of the queen, it means Queen (in her own right) who is also Mother (to the monarch).

Random trivia, the opposite situation - where a queen has died leaving a widower husband whose son or daughter now rules - has never occurred in this country. I guess because there have been so few female monarchs, and the throne has never passed from a mother to a daughter, though it has passed between sisters. If Prince Philip had outlived our current Queen and been alive to see Charles crowned king, it would have been a unique situation that would have necessitated the creation of a brand new title.

Peregrina · 15/04/2021 22:48

I think when the Queen came to the throne she very much epitomised how it was for other young couples starting out after the war. Both for me and DH - our parents were similar ages to the Queen and PP, and we as children were much the same age as Charles and Anne. It all seemed to represent a fresh start with the country getting back on its feet after the war.

But Charles - well he's still waiting to take on the job, at an age when most folks would be glad to have retired. I don't think he epitomises how the nation thinks of itself now.

JustLyra · 15/04/2021 22:48

I don't think they'd have needed to create a new title for Philip in that situation. He'd still have been Prince and Duke of Edinburgh and that wouldn't have been a problem.

The only reason the Queen Mother/Dowager Queen title is needed is because there can't be two with the title HM The Queen.

Peregrina · 15/04/2021 22:53

it would have been a unique situation that would have necessitated the creation of a brand new title.

I don't think so, he would have carried on being the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip. It would have done if he'd been called Prince Consort Philip.

SenecaFallsRedux · 15/04/2021 22:53

It has (sort of) happened in the Netherlands, though, and Prince Bernhard just kept the same title. It was a bit different because his wife Queen Juliana abdicated, but he survived her for many years so he was a former consort who was the Queen's father.

JustLyra · 15/04/2021 22:54

The one with a potential future interesting title will be Camilla.

If she is Princess Consort, as we’ve been told, and she outlives Charles what would her title be then?

If she’s Queen consort she’d just remain known as Queen Camilla. But if she’s not then would she be Dowager Princess Consort Camilla? Or be Dowager Duchess of Cornwall since that’s her most known title?

It’s an interesting one

Kishkashta · 15/04/2021 22:58

You are asking this after we had a year of coronavirus, kids not in school, parts of economy in total standstill, tectonic changes certain in the next few years...And you are worried about the changes after the Queens death...
I just cannot wrap my mind around this. What age group do you belong to? Who was so blissfully unaffected by the last year to seriously think so?

SenecaFallsRedux · 15/04/2021 22:59

Sorry, Prince Bernhard survived Juliana for a few months, not years.

ohforarainyday · 15/04/2021 23:00

I don't think so, he would have carried on being the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip. It would have done if he'd been called Prince Consort Philip.

It's not me saying it, it's a source of a certain amount of debate amongst those who make the byzantine points of royal protocol their business. In practice of course he would have continued to be known as the Duke of Edinburgh and Prince Philip, but the royals have a bunch of differently titles they don't actively use.

Or be Dowager Duchess of Cornwall since that’s her most known title?
My prediction or assumption would be this one.

Peregrina · 15/04/2021 23:02

I just cannot wrap my mind around this. What age group do you belong to? Who was so blissfully unaffected by the last year to seriously think so?

Well for me, it's a bit of light hearted relief after what has been a pretty shitty year for many of us. That's why I was annoyed by Prince Andrew coming out with 'the nation's grandfather' because I know people who haven't been able to mourn their own grandfather's/mother's properly.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 15/04/2021 23:05

@Kishkashta

You are asking this after we had a year of coronavirus, kids not in school, parts of economy in total standstill, tectonic changes certain in the next few years...And you are worried about the changes after the Queens death... I just cannot wrap my mind around this. What age group do you belong to? Who was so blissfully unaffected by the last year to seriously think so?
I think OP was just asking what things would change out of interest, not saying she's overly concerned or would be lamenting it hugely?
jacintabakes · 15/04/2021 23:06

Good riddance if you ask me.

SenecaFallsRedux · 15/04/2021 23:06

Camilla's title would depend in large part on whether Charles becomes king. If he died before the Queen, Kate would be the Duchess of Cornwall and Camilla would be the Dowager Duchess. If she, as Charles's consort, takes the title Princess Consort, then I imagine she could still be known as that because it's a unique title or perhaps she could be Dowager Princess Consort. If she is Queen, then she would be Dowager Queen in widowhood, but likely just known as Queen Camilla.

JustLyra · 15/04/2021 23:10

@SenecaFallsRedux

Camilla's title would depend in large part on whether Charles becomes king. If he died before the Queen, Kate would be the Duchess of Cornwall and Camilla would be the Dowager Duchess. If she, as Charles's consort, takes the title Princess Consort, then I imagine she could still be known as that because it's a unique title or perhaps she could be Dowager Princess Consort. If she is Queen, then she would be Dowager Queen in widowhood, but likely just known as Queen Camilla.
I didn’t think if Charles died before the Queen that William would be duke of Cornwall? I thought that was reserved for the eldest son of the monarch?

So in that situation Camilla would be the Dowager Duchess, but there wouldn’t be a new duchess so that wouldn’t cause any confusion.

starfishmummy · 15/04/2021 23:13

@Honeybobbin

Why would hmrc change? Or HM anything? New coins would be phased in. I remember coins with king George on them and I wasn't born until the 80s!
I am old enough to remember coins before decimalisation. We had designs with young Victoria, old Victoria, Edward V11, George V, George V1 and Elizabeth!! And guess what? No one was confused!!
SenecaFallsRedux · 15/04/2021 23:24

You're right, @JustLyra. The title Duke of Cornwall would revert to the Crown if Charles predeceased the Queen.

Currysauceandchips · 15/04/2021 23:26

I'll get to wear my Smiths tshirt! Grin

SenecaFallsRedux · 15/04/2021 23:29

If Charles predeceased the Queen, she could make William Prince of Wales, but Duke of Cornwall would have to wait for George (if William were king.)

JustLyra · 15/04/2021 23:30

@SenecaFallsRedux

You're right, *@JustLyra*. The title Duke of Cornwall would revert to the Crown if Charles predeceased the Queen.
It’s so confusing because some would go to the crown and some would go to William.
katmunchkin · 15/04/2021 23:42

Royal Mail already have a stock of stamps with Charles on them ready to be rolled out. It took quite a few versions of his profile before they found one he has happy with...