What will happen when the Queen dies???

[GizmoBasil]

Just pondering after Phillips death.

My view is the country will lose a lot of it's stability for a period of time, and I say that as a closeted Republican. She's all anyone alive has really ever known. It will be quite a time of massive change that's for certain.

The national anthem, money, names like HMRC - Will these all change overnight??

I didn't think that the 'latest' partners would be included - Mike Tindall's been around for a long time so probably fair he should go. But can you imagine the fuss if Andrew's 'blood princesses' couldn't take their husbands - he'd have burst! With that on top of the lack of Admiral's uniform......

@Arbadacarba

Georgian pennies are amazing....''Dead man's pennies'' as they are so big and heavy they were used to weigh down the eyelids of the deceased.

Oh, yes - I think I've got one somewhere. Enormous thing!

I googled and the term ''Dead Man's Penny'' is actually the WW1 Bronze Memorial to those Servicemen who died in Service.

However.....Georgian Pennies ''Cartwheel Pennies'' were used to anchor eyelids closed in those days when Families kept their Dead at home.

Apologies if I got the name wrong.

@ApplyWithin

Her late MIL, Patricia, (who inherited the title from her father as it was set up that way when he was given it) and her Aunt-in-law Lady Pamela were/are Philips cousins and he was brought up close to them

I was surprised to see Pamela Hicks wasn’t on the guest list. Perhaps she’s too frail to attend, she must be in her 90s. Another Mountbatten daughter to whom PP and HM must have been very close.

Clearly they want a family funeral but I sort of think Tindall, Mapozzi and Brooksbank could have perhaps stood down and allowed close relatives to go in their place. None of my business of course - before someone tells me so!

She's 91 so it could be an age thing. I don't think she's in the most robust health.

I'm not remotely surprised that Mike, Edo and Jack are going - if they weren't there then Zara, Beatrice and Eugenie would have to sit alone in the chapel due to social distancing.

I sort of think Tindall, Mapozzi and Brooksbank could have perhaps stood down and allowed close relatives to go in their place

I guess they’re going to support their wives. Tindall has been around for ages, he probably knew the old boy pretty well.

Gloucester, Kent and Alexandra Oglivy are going to have to sit on their own. Why not Beatrice and Eugenie? Anyway, just an opinion. Others made the decision for good reason, no doubt.

@Maireas

I agree, particularly about Mapozzi and Brooksbank who couldn't have known him for long. No Prince or Princess Michael of Kent?

No Princess Michael isn't a surprise as the Duchess of Gloucester isn't going (neither is Duchess of Kent, but that's not a surprise).

Slightly surprised about Prince Michael, but perhaps being the youngest (and the one who wasn't a full time royal) he just didn't spend as much time with the Queen and Philip?

I guess someone had to miss out to allow his sisters to be represented.

My dad was at school when the king died. He said they got a half day. Do you think they would close schools when the queen dies?
I haven't watched much telly lately so I haven't see a lot of Prince Philip programmes. I did quite like him, although I may just like Matt smiths version!

@Maireas

Gloucester, Kent and Alexandra Oglivy are going to have to sit on their own. Why not Beatrice and Eugenie? Anyway, just an opinion. Others made the decision for good reason, no doubt.

Because there's a difference in going to the funeral of your cousin's spouse (and your distant cousin) and going to the funeral of your grandfather perhaps?

I also think the Queen was never going to start allowing some of her grandchildren to bring spouses and not others.

Very true. It's tricky when there's a limit like that

@IsAnybodyListening

I believe the normal protocol is when her death is announced, all workers return home for the day and all businesses close for the remainder of the day to mourn the news. Then the day of the funeral is a national bank holiday.

I just can't see that happening in my work. And we are public sector

I suppose Kate would have to go as the future kings wife. So it would be off if the other grandchildren couldn't have their spouses. Both on a person level and to the public.

@Missushbb

My dad was at school when the king died. He said they got a half day. Do you think they would close schools when the queen dies? I haven't watched much telly lately so I haven't see a lot of Prince Philip programmes. I did quite like him, although I may just like Matt smiths version!

No, I don’t think they will close early if she dies in the middle of the day.

Closing a school is a nightmare with school transport, trying to get a hold of parents who both work an hour away, so many kids going to childcare after school etc

If everyone lived a short walk from school and you could just send them home knowing most would either have a parent at home or a parent on their way home as their work had closed that would be one thing, but not now.

I think when HRH dies, those who complained about the coverage of Prince Philip won't know what hit them - it will be a whole new level!
Or Diana x 1000.
I love the Royal Family and have no issue with this.

I believe the normal protocol is when her death is announced, all workers return home for the day and all businesses close for the remainder of the day to mourn the news. Then the day of the funeral is a national bank holiday

Can't be true. National infrastructure like power and communications, medical, emergency services and care would have to continue, plus government. And many others would want to continue working, especially those who wouldn't get paid if they didn't work.

I’m surprised people are suggesting the fact she is old means people shouldn’t feel shock or grief. My grandma was 97 when she died. She had even been poorly in hospital. It was still a shock when mum phoned to say she’d died. She was in my life my whole life.

I agree. My father was 94 when he died, objectively of course I knew it was ever more likely to happen, but somehow because he'd been around for so long and I'd never known anything else there was a totally irrational feeling that the status quo wouldn't change. So it was still a major shock.

In the Queen's case, too, there will be further major layers around her position as monarch, the element of government that hasn't changed over the last 70 years. Most of us have never known a time when we didn't have a queen, so there's a degree of stepping into the unknown. It won't be a matter of everyone universally shrugging their shoulders and carrying on as if nothing has happened.

Why? Princess Anne's children are plain Mr Phillips and Mrs Tindall so why should Archie's title change?

That's because Anne's female, and it's only the children of sons who are Prince and Princess when their grandparent is Queen/King.

😂🙄at such confidence when totally wrong

@SunshineCake I was confident because I'm totally correct. Quoting from the 1917 letters patent (my italics):

“the children of any Sovereign of these Realms and the children of the sons of any such Sovereign (as per the Letters Patent of 1864) and the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales (a modification of the Letters Patent of 1898) shall have and at all times hold and enjoy the style, title or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names or with their other titles of honour”.

Yes, Anne turned down titles for Peter and Zara, but they had to be offered them, unlike Charles, Andrew and Edward, whose children had an automatic right to the title. In the same way, Harry's children's titles are automatic when Charles becomes King.

If Harry and William had a sister, her children wouldn't automatically become Princes or Princesses when Charles is King.

@PicsInRed

Wording changes immediately, new money and infrastructure is cycled in as and when new stock is needed. Official mourning will be significant, I wouldn't expect as much opposition as seen to PP's mourning. There will be enormous pomp and ceremony around the funeral, proclamation of King, investiture of PW as new Prince of Wales (Kate becoming new Princess of Wales) and eventual coronation of (probably) King George VII.

Prince Edward will become Duke of Edinburgh (and Sophie presumably now Duchess of Edinburgh), as the title reverts to the Crown.

Some people will go absoutely mad when the Queen dies. As a republican I shall keep my head down for a while and wait it out quietly in an ideological bunker.

Why do you think king George?

Genuinely curious

Oh jeez
I just reread

I thought you meant charles would take George as his name lol

Is the title thing something they changed after William got married? Like the whole what happens if the first child is a girl thing. Or will it still be the same for George's generation.

I thought it was suggested that Charles might take the regnal name George because the Queen Mother wished it, and he was close to her.

But she's been gone nearly 20 years now. Besides, the Queen took her own first name, even though her mother had the same name. Hence the invented title of Queen Mother to distinguish them, and Dowager Queen seemed inappropriate for a relatively young widow. Queen Mary remained Queen Mary when her husband died.

I think it will be rather profound.

The young ones will claim they don't care etc etc, but anyone over the age of 30 (surely?) will realise - or more accurately, feel - it's a big deal, whether they are 'royalist' or not.

I think after the Queen, who did the job so utterly perfectly, the Royal Family will lose something. It won't be what it was. I think that it will be the beginning of the loss of the 'soft power' that we have as a country, and that we are so used to having. The Commonwealth enterprise will weaken. We'll be less alluring and interesting. We'll be just 'another country', eventually. Many seem to want this. They'll get it!

I find it hard to sympathise with those bashing the Queen. She, too, didn't choose the life she was born into. She gave up her own interests and identity to be the Head of State, and she's done it immaculately, with such poise and dignity.

It will be a sad, sad - and deeply transformative - day when she dies.

That's my feeling, anyway.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Is the title thing something they changed after William got married? Like the whole what happens if the first child is a girl thing. Or will it still be the same for George's generation.

The Queen issued LP's to say that all of William's children would be HRH Prince/ss from birth, but it doesn't affect great-grandchildren going forward so the potential issue is still the same.

@Peregrina

I thought it was suggested that Charles might take the regnal name George because the Queen Mother wished it, and he was close to her.

But she's been gone nearly 20 years now. Besides, the Queen took her own first name, even though her mother had the same name. Hence the invented title of Queen Mother to distinguish them, and Dowager Queen seemed inappropriate for a relatively young widow. Queen Mary remained Queen Mary when her husband died.

The Queen Mother title wasn't invented for QEQM. It's always been around as a title. It's just that because they had the same name it was more commonly used for QEQM.

Queen Mary and Queen Alexandra were very occasionally referred to as the Queen Mother, but it wasn't needed so much as they were distinguishable by their names.

@HilaryThorpe

The Coronation was dead boring though. We had a telly with a nine inch screen and loads of people crowded in to our sitting room to watch. There was a parade up the High Street with floats and people in soggy costumes. I had a new dress in pale green waffle nylon. 😊

Up until you said pale green dress I thought you were my mum! 😁

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