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How is this not murder?(upsetting)

601 replies

OhToBeASeahorse · 26/03/2021 12:16

A mother has appeared in court today charged with the manslaughter of her toddler.

She left her, alone, for 6 days.

How can this not be murder? I don't understand.

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Bluntness100 · 26/03/2021 13:52

The difference is the intent to kill. Manslaughter is you killed but didn’t intend it, murder is you intended it.

We don’t know what was going on with this woman, what she understood, her mental state. All we do know is something beyond horrific occured. What we also don’t know is how that could have happened. How no one thought to check on that child in that period.. it doesn’t even bear thinking about.

But what is being said, by those who know, is that she took these actions not intending to kill her child.

Stratfordplace · 26/03/2021 13:53

Six days of partying whilst your baby daughter is left completely on her own with no food or drink and no one to comfort her. Slowly starving to death. I hope she gets life whatever her mental health. The anguish of that poor baby

Hamhockandmash · 26/03/2021 13:54

I am in tears reading this. How did someone not hear her? Awful, just beyond awful.

namechangefail2020 · 26/03/2021 13:55

Gosh I'm crying my eyes out at this. Imagine your toddler waiting and waiting for mummy who never comes. I can't unread that!

ddl1 · 26/03/2021 13:55

Terribly sad.

Impossible to know without more information, but it may be 'manslaughter due to diminished responsibility'. If she was living in supported accommodation, she may have either learning difficulties or severe mental health problems.

I do think that, whereas in the past many babies were taken unnecessarily into care, nowadays sometimes mothers who are really not capable are allowed to keep their babies for far too long. Add to that, that lockdown has made it harder to check up on what's happening, and you can have a recipe for tragedy.

TheQueef · 26/03/2021 13:56

I wondered about trafficking too.
Would she have the money and resources for this six day party?
Something else going on here no doubt.

R.i.p. Little Asiah.

TeachesOfPeaches · 26/03/2021 13:57

I feel sorry for the baby and the mother. I can only imagine what she has been through since being on her own from 14 years old.

She will also be a target in prison as 'baby killers' are considered the lowest of the low.

Brunt0n · 26/03/2021 14:01

Some ‘child protection plan’

Why the fuck do these people have babies? Just have an abortion, she could have left her at a doctor surgery, hospital or a fire station... but no. She knew what she was doing, she knew the little one would die.

I hope that little darling rests in peace.

DropDTuning · 26/03/2021 14:02

@NoBetterthanSheShouldBe Three parties in 6 days in different cities, attended by a vulnerable child/woman with presumably very limited resources? Screams ‘trafficing’ to me, not someone with full agency over their actions.

Yes. I'm amazed no one said this before you. What vulnerable teenage girl, living in supported accommodation on the south coast, has contacts in all those places and 'parties' in far away locations, one day after another? That's not fun, that's something far more sinister going on.

C130 · 26/03/2021 14:04

@Suzi888

Because she didn’t physically cause the death, she just neglected the poor child. She will probably say she didn’t think she would die.

She should be forcibly sterilised and spend her life behind bars, before hopefully someone with a a very sharp razor blade comes into contact with her. Surely other people knew that this child was alone. Makes my blood boil, sickening.

Utterly heartbreaking.

This is such a vile comment. Maybe try and engage your brain before typing. You have no idea what was going on in her life. The support services were not up to par it would seem.
diddl · 26/03/2021 14:04

But surely deciding to leave a toddler for 6 days (without food & water?) is taking a deliberate action?

And you'd have to be extremely stupid to think that there might not be a possibility of death!

MindGrapes · 26/03/2021 14:04

God, this was one of my worst nightmares when I had dc1. If DH was away for a week or something and I fell down the stairs and died and DC was left alone. I know it's completely irrational but one of those new mum fears.

picklemewalnuts · 26/03/2021 14:04

'Missing' from 14yrs
Pregnant at 15yrs, without parental support.
Went to parties in several different cities over 6 days?

I'd really question so much about this. Did she think she was going out for one night, but get caught up in whatever was happening and was unable to get home?

It sounds like there was exploitation to me. I feel very sad for all of them.

Jackielaffertyiscold · 26/03/2021 14:05

I can’t stop thinking about this, it’s so sad. I initially thought she must be a victim of Covid meaning she was getting the support she needed, but it’s pre Covid so there’s no excuse

SooMoony · 26/03/2021 14:05

Oh my God. That poor baby girl. The photos of her with her mother look as if she is simply an accessory. How did she think her child would survive? I am lost for words.

Jackielaffertyiscold · 26/03/2021 14:06

*wasn’t getting the support she needed

lillylemons · 26/03/2021 14:06

She did run away from home at 14 it was in the newspapers at the time and she was reported missing a few times.

Sleepdeprivedmama1 · 26/03/2021 14:06

Does no one question what the friends thought about her going away with them and leaving the child unsupervised?!

cookiecreampie · 26/03/2021 14:07

@HoppingPavlova

This is why kids shouldn’t have kids.
To be fair to teen mothers, most wouldn't do something so wicked. Plenty of girls have given birth in their teens, the vast majority don't starve their kids to death.
thedancingbear · 26/03/2021 14:07

@Suzi888

Because she didn’t physically cause the death, she just neglected the poor child. She will probably say she didn’t think she would die.

She should be forcibly sterilised and spend her life behind bars, before hopefully someone with a a very sharp razor blade comes into contact with her. Surely other people knew that this child was alone. Makes my blood boil, sickening.

Utterly heartbreaking.

FFS. What a load of idiotic shit.

Forced sterilisations? North Korea is that way >>>>>

Suzi888 · 26/03/2021 14:08

@C130
“You have no idea what was going on in her life”.

No. And I don’t care either. My opinion.

Don’t worry I’m sure she will end up in a nice environment with people like you feeling so very sorry for her. She will get to live her life, unlike that poor child.

MindGrapes · 26/03/2021 14:09

I just wonder, what was going through her head when she opened her door on her return? What was she expecting to see?
Did something happen to her while she was away?
There is so much unknown here.

picklemewalnuts · 26/03/2021 14:09

They'd only been at the unit 11 weeks. They may have left a mother baby foster placement, or been there for assessment after having been found somewhere else.

When I look at the photos the mum looks so, so young.

ItscoldinAlaska · 26/03/2021 14:10

There is some confusion about the date of death. They have stated that she neglected the child and has admitted to causing her death 'Kudi admitted the manslaughter of her daughter between December 4 and 12.' So between 4th December - 11th December 2019. She left the flat on 5th December, so it is possible she caused the death before leaving the flat. I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

Cam77 · 26/03/2021 14:11

This government has spent a decade cutting all kinds of child services to the bone. Sure Start, youth services, and no funding for voluntary organizations. Provision of children’s homes have been handed over to the private sector to save money and they’re doing a worse job. Constant cuts mean a worse general society and provision for those most in need. Nobody who cares about vulnerable people should vote Conservative.