The Duchess of Cambridge attends the Sarah Everard vigil

[JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]

My respect for the Duchess has just shot up. For a Royal, this is pretty bold and brave.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sarah-everard-vigil-kate-middleton-london-b1816862.html

Not forgetting other women - if you attended the vigil tonight, thank you for sticking up for women's rights. Let's hope this is an opportunity for the Met Police to review and change how they treat both offending officers and female victims

hiring and retaining talent is directly connected with change.

"Talent" doesn't mean that a person isn't immune to a damaging culture. It's a buzz word to describe someone who is able to perform duties, that's all

In this case, the officers didn’t think one of their own should be suspended for something that didn’t look serious. That is a sexism problem.

It's not just a sexist problem it's a gross incompetency problem. Indecent exposure doesn't look serious? Are you fucking kidding me? You think somebody with that mindset can just pop of on a training course and change their ways? That's deeply rooted misogyny in a person that seeps out into their work - no amount of recourses can change that overnight.

Their search and identification of his car should have set alarms right away. That is a process problem and highlights a security lapse in the IT system. That is a funding and resourcing problem.

God you will do anything but blame a person. Unless it's KM.

Man accused of indecent exposure in McDonalds.

Number plate given.

Number plate turns out to be one of their own officers.

Nothing done. Bootlickers blame IT. WTAF.

So what kind of own pusher job do you do in the Met? One word uses wanky words like "hiring talent" if they are in a normal job

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow
I have written on the other thread, in no less severe words than yours, that me and my group suffered direct consequences of lack of action from police.

Can you share how you know that they even bothered to look into the indecent assault?

I just googled and was really surprised that it was a McDonald's and he exposed himself to staff.

Wankers usually do it in circs where there aren't many/ any people around expect who they wank at.

I would have hoped that doing it in a McDonald's with presumably a few staff, and also customers who took the car reg etc would ring alarm bells.

That's a few grades up from your standard wanker. And the police know these men escalate. Doing it in McDonald's in those circs is already pretty escalated I'd have thought.

Well we’ll all see their work when there’s an investigation into how they overlooked their colleague flashing someone, and if that’s happened before. If the suspect has done this crime before (and using his ID like this). How did he get hired, how is this behaviour not weeded out in the hiring process? I don’t think many are impressed by the met institution right now. There must be good apples and bad apples as anywhere - but here the balance has been tipped for too long with devastating consequences. It does very much seem to be steeped in racism and misogyny, the met doesn’t serve its purpose and prejudice isn’t a funding issue.

They had an ex copper on C4 news the other day explaining that indecent exposure isn't of particular interest to the police, not a priority.

Why the media so often wheel someone out to remind women that there's no point in reporting is beyond me but it happens a lot.

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

hiring and retaining talent is directly connected with change.

"Talent" doesn't mean that a person isn't immune to a damaging culture. It's a buzz word to describe someone who is able to perform duties, that's all

In this case, the officers didn’t think one of their own should be suspended for something that didn’t look serious. That is a sexism problem.

It's not just a sexist problem it's a gross incompetency problem. Indecent exposure doesn't look serious? Are you fucking kidding me? You think somebody with that mindset can just pop of on a training course and change their ways? That's deeply rooted misogyny in a person that seeps out into their work - no amount of recourses can change that overnight.

Their search and identification of his car should have set alarms right away. That is a process problem and highlights a security lapse in the IT system. That is a funding and resourcing problem.

God you will do anything but blame a person. Unless it's KM.

Man accused of indecent exposure in McDonalds.

Number plate given.

Number plate turns out to be one of their own officers.

Nothing done. Bootlickers blame IT. WTAF.

So what kind of own pusher job do you do in the Met? One word uses wanky words like "hiring talent" if they are in a normal job

You sound slightly deranged in this post. I literally started my post by talking about incompetency (hiring and retaining talent). Then sexism> police didn’t take enough action. Then underfunding> a good IT system would set multiple alarms at multiple levels to ensure at least one of those alarms is noticed immediately.

Why are you frothing at the mouth with ‘bootlicking IT’ bit? It just goes to show that you simply do not understand how processes work or break.

Seems some hate Kate Middleton more than misogyny. Or they like misogyny as helps them bash km! Neither is good

Yeah @Thewithesarehere making a blunt comment means I've lost the argument .Please do return to telling everyone how amazing the met police are. Btw sorry but their violent behaviour today is all over the internet. Whataboutery about KM isn't going to work for you. I'm afraid some things are never forgotten, and today at Clapham is one of those things. Say bye bye to any public support

I am sightly weirded out by being told 'i know your history'.

Anyone else want to know what on earth that's supposed to mean?

Indeed - don't go for a wee walk with your mate in Hunter wellies though. The police will be all over you like a rash.

But re the indecent exposure being NBD. Someone has decided that it's NBD, and officers go along with it. That's a culture problem that needs ripping out by its root. It may not make money to arrest sex offenders like it does COVID a teachers, but I refuse to believe that more funding is the only thing standing between the police's regard for women's safety

Think Thewithesarehere might be in the Met... the met we all want to rehaul...

NiceGerbil I don’t know but could report to MN for being a bit creepy. I change my username a lot more because there have been some weirdos on the boards in the last few years

@Backstreetsbackalrightdadada

Think Thewithesarehere might be in the Met... the met we all want to rehaul...

No. But I have worked directly with their system. So have seen both sides of the argument. And it will be great if you actually start reading my post. I have called Met police incompetent, sexist, misogynist, racist and underfunded. And not in that order either.

@NiceGerbil

I am sightly weirded out by being told 'i know your history'.

Anyone else want to know what on earth that's supposed to mean?

She's in the met and has been keeping you under surveillance?

@Backstreetsbackalrightdadada

NiceGerbil I don’t know but could report to MN for being a bit creepy. I change my username a lot more because there have been some weirdos on the boards in the last few years

I have come across this poster on some other feminism threads. I stopped engaging with them. Go and report if you like.

No, I didn't sound deranged at all (laughable coming from a person who's spouted incoherent shite this entire thread). I'm baffled by your rambling apologise for police incompetence. Aren't you in the least bit alarmed that, by your own admission, there's misogyny within the police and that indecent exposure isn't a matter serious enough to suspend an officer? Doesn't that make you angry that they could have directly prevented him from committing murder, and they didn't?

I suppose it's easier to stick your fingers in your ears, say "la la I'm not listening" and blame to RF though ey?

@Thewithesarehere so brave tho!

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

No, I didn't sound deranged at all (laughable coming from a person who's spouted incoherent shite this entire thread). I'm baffled by your rambling apologise for police incompetence. Aren't you in the least bit alarmed that, by your own admission, there's misogyny within the police and that indecent exposure isn't a matter serious enough to suspend an officer? Doesn't that make you angry that they could have directly prevented him from committing murder, and they didn't?

I suppose it's easier to stick your fingers in your ears, say "la la I'm not listening" and blame to RF though ey?

Did you read my last post, or the one before that? Or the one before that one? 🤦🏻‍♀️

@NiceGerbil

I am sightly weirded out by being told 'i know your history'.

Anyone else want to know what on earth that's supposed to mean?

Just a theory - works for Met police, or a police force, and is simply used to this kind of empty threat behaviour, likely usually towards women.

Did you read my last post, or the one before that? Or the one before that one?

Yes.

Now are you going to answer my question about your 'brave men and women' who's systems you've worked with (whatever that means )

The met from the top down have failed women again and again.

Also other groups.

Cressida dick has made some really worrying comments about sex offences.

Bottom line is that sex offences against women are not a priority for the authorities or society as a whole. Everyone says oh it's terrible but when something actually happens it's all, why was she walking there, why was she out after dark, why did she talk to him etc etc.

Then something like this happens and it's somehow disconnected from all the other stuff women experience and a monster/ terrible rare thing and what can you do?

The met have a shit record with VAWG. It's all public record. They're just not interested.

I find it really odd that everyone is supposed to be shocked it was a police officer. He's a man and joining the police doesn't magically make dodgy men not dodgy.

That attitude from the police about black cab drivers (they wouldn't do that) was a reason warboys was free for so long.

The met only get violent with women if they're being uppity, right @Thewithesarehere

So so brave to grab and arrest women peacefully attending a vigil about one of their own officers who murdered a woman who did nothing more then go out in public.

So brave

Just a theory - works for Met police, or a police force, and is simply used to this kind of empty threat behaviour, likely usually towards women.
Well I don’t. I just have a good Mumsnet memory and have chosen not to engage with a couple or two posters due to my last experience with their posts.

(Here is my theory for you: you are a PR bot. I mean, look at your name).

There’s a time and place for defending the police and highlighting issues re their funding etc. But this thread definitely isn’t it.